Comments for Darwin in Chicago at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sat, 25 May 2013 23:56:46 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-1102 Genesis 1:27, "So God made man in his own image". Genesis 2:7, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." Genesis 2:21-22, "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, …the Lord had taken from man, made he a woman, & brought her unto the man". From the above verses, it is obvious that God formed man/woman from dust instead of transforming apes to human beings. - Jonathan CHM Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:07:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-700 Let's be careful here. No Adam, no Eve, no Fall, no Cross, no Savior, no Redemption (nor need). The Genesis account is more than a metaphor. It's hard to understand how, yet, it is true. We do well however not to give too much ground to the materialists by agreeing with most of their premises and then mounting a defense that relies upon poetry. Remember Flannery O'Connor's oddly stated defense of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, "If it's only a symbol, I say to hell with it". - Mason Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:12:52 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-695 If we accept Darwinism as true we then have to admit that death did not enter the world as a result of Adam and Eve's sin. On the contrary, death was already in the world as the essential mechanism God used to create us. For me, this is an untenable position fraught with all kinds of nasty implications. This is really just a philosophical debate. The scientific evidence fits a creationist theory at least as well as Darwin's theory if one keeps an open mind. - Nick Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:28:03 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-691 Robert Royal writes: "Pope, theologians, and philosophers don't see any threat in evolution, properly understood." No, MODERNIST popes, theologians, and philosophers don't see any threat from it. But the fact is, evolution, sans a Deus-ex-machina-like divine intervention at key points in the process, necessarily involves a denial of the existence of distinct, separate species. This is fatal not only to the Faith, but to the science of logic and to common sense. - James the Least Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:33:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-684 Both Robert Royal and WJ seem to want to avoid the point! No science supports the "theory" of evolution. Pseudo science and ideology are what drives it, and Popes of recent years receive their advice and information on evolution from the Pontifical Academy of Science whose members are all evolutionists and some of whom are atheists. The tendency with evolution is towards atheism no matter what John Henry Newman said. We have had over 100 years since his time to see its effect. - Paul Hanrahan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:26:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-682 Some commentators here seem misguided as to the proper relation between scientific inquiry and philosophical or theological interpretation of that inquiry. On evolution, Cardinal Newman wrote: “the theory of Darwin, true or not, is not necessarily atheistic; on the contrary, it may simply be suggesting a larger idea of divine providence and skill.” And JPII: “New scientific knowledge has led us to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis.” - WJ Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:32:04 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-680 I assume nothing except that scientists should do science, and that theologians and philosophers have their own areas of comeptence. I am aware of no de fide pronouncement by popes on scientific matters, which would be very inadvisable, as they know. If evolution is still a credible theory 100 years from now, it will look quite a bit different, and will pose new questions to scholars and the magisterium, which the tradition is quite capable of handling without ignoring or denying real science. - Robert Royal Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:43:06 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-679 Through the centuries the Catholic Church has condemned the idea of evolution. Most notably Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical on Christian marriage Arcanum, taught Eve was created miraculously from Adam's side "gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam." Fr Brian Harrison argued very convincingly that this teaching is to be held infallibly. Where does that leave evolution? Many have strayed from the faith thanks to this atheistic ideology which should be condemned. - Paul Hanrahan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:29:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-678 Robert seems to merrily assume all is well with evolution as though it were already proved. Tell me one thing you know that proves evolution! Stephen Jay Gould is quoted as saying that "we don't know how it happened, we just know it did." That's called faith not science! Tell me how under the laws of metaphysics that evolution could have happened. You can't give what you don't have. More and more scientists as they examine the claims of evolution find it so devoid of proof they give it away. - Paul Hanrahan Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:12:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-677 Pope, theologians, and philosophers don\'t see any threat in evolution, properly understood. Evolution of bodies says nothing about an original human pair.Genesis is not a mere story, but neither is it a science text. It gives us human history from a moral/spiritual point of view. The Fall and its historical consequences are so clearly everywhere around as to be undeniable. That's precisely why we needed the new Eve and new Adam. - Robert Royal Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:45:40 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-674 PLEASE answer- are we considering there was NO one Man-Adam, one Woman-Eve? If so, how is Jesus THE NEW ADAM, Mary the NEW EVE? I have kids-I want to teach them the truth. All JP2 Theology of the Body begins IN THE BEGINNING. Are we saying Genesis is a story? If so, when does story-time end & Word of God begin? Real questions-looking for real CATHOLIC answers. Creation, Adam & Eve, show us our Father's heart & Jesus quotes Genesis. Any books that are not double talk you can recommend? Thanks. - debby Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:51:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/darwin-in-chicago.html#comment-676 Apropos to this discussion enters the concept that a genetic blueprint is responsable for human violence, drug addiction and criminal behavior. Thereby eliminating culpability because truth is not absolute in human evolution. There is your truth and my truth. There is no evidence for faith or virtue being a part on human nature. If our civilization continues to suscribe to this pure rationalistic thinking of Dawson and his ilk, we are destined for nilhism and choas instead of hope and civility. - William Dennis Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:48:22 +0100