Comments for Confusion Confounded at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 19 out of 19 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sat, 25 May 2013 12:01:18 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1591 Dear Matt, That was mean spirited of me, I am sorry. I do agree with you it is just that so many times people get hung up on the small details and miss the big picture, you are obviously not one of those people so I am ashamed of my own pedantic behavior. I hope I have caused only a little offense, you are a gentleman. Pax, ty - Ped Antic Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:25:34 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1586 Mr. Royal: One last comment from me. Thank you for an excellent article. I appreciate your time and your thoughts. The Archdiocese of N.Y. had announced that some colleges were no longer Catholic- Marist and Marymount Manhattan come to mind. Perhaps that same step should be taken vis a vis Notre Dame and others. - William H. Phelan Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:48:13 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1584 An additional thought if I may: Mr. Royal may be correct in his estimation of Fr. Jenkins' mental calculus on this matter. If so, he would be in keeping with 25 years of ND silencing herself on abortion to get a seat at the table. Prof. Glendon hopefully has alerted the university that conferring an honorary degree is a bridge too far. The battle on health care is about to start. If ND silences herself again on sanctity of life, what becomes of our elderly when health care rationing starts? - Vincent C. Muscarello Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:17:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1583 Interesting--and very charitable--analysis. Mr. Rubin is spot on with respect to what the students think. Next to the President, they would gladly have Jon Bon Jovi speak to them. This decision should have been made responsibly by the adults in the room . Not sure the analogy of Kennedy the CANDIDATE meeting his adversaries is apt for Obama the President at ND. Prof. Glendon characterized both the man and the situation properly--uncompromising. He has the power. ND has capitulated. - Vincent C. Muscarello Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:01:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1581 I am intrigued by your critcism of the appellation, " Notre Dame University."  I personally don't see what difference it makes to the substance of this fine article.  No doubt you are a journalist "par excellence."  Do you have a website or a journal of your own? If you do please enlighted us. I would like to see it. - William Dennis Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:21:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1579 Dear "Ped Antic": Why, you are ever so welcome. I appreciate your effusive praise; however, most people were not confused. Most readers knew exactly what Mr. Royal meant and did not need to be, as you fascinatingly say, "put to rights." I still harbor the (outdated?) notion that a publication should honor basic principles of journalism by calling institutions by their proper names. But what can I say? My Catholic education taught me a precision and an excellence that many do not share. - Matt Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:05:16 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1580 Why would a Catholic institution honor a man who is not only pro-abortion, but during his career as an Illinois state senator, voted to allow babies who survived failed abortions to starve to death....don't Catholics consider that murder....but then how could they get a "seat at the table." - Robert Cheeks Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:02:09 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1576 We are losing something, our integrity! It's one thing for Obama to come and speak and be prepared to debate, it's entirely different to honor him. One is to be open to a discussion of ideas the other to hold up his beliefs as equally good and thus honorable. This does not foster what is good, but rather helps to confuse. In fact it harms the consciences of fellow Catholics who are less well formed in the faith and who are influenced by such a poor example. This is by definition scandal. - Chuck Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:58:59 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1577 Dear Matt, Thank you ever so much for that clarification, now I know what University they are talking about. I can only imagine how many confused people have been put to rights after reading your comment. Sometimes a small reversal of words can make a world of difference and cause a whole lot of confusion. I hope you are a grammar teacher, becuase I think you have found your niche, master of the red pen. Keep up the excellent work matt. Ty. - Ped Antic Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:16:05 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1573 So before Vat 2 a Catholic politician who was & still is WORSHIPED as the only Catholic US President assures Protestant clergy they dont have to worry about the Pope's influence-let alone Jackie's-& 50 yrs later the Catholic Church in America on every front, local parish to university to Conf of Bishops is under duress, has minimal influence in the social/cultural life of Americans, is suffering an identity crisis*WHAT IS IT TO BE CATHOLIC?* yada, yada and we are surprised? how stupid are we? - debby Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:54:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1570 Something good may come out of this brouhaha with these so called Catholic colleges. Most alumni are clueless about some of the leftist, progressive leanings in their beloved alma maters. This deception is to the advantage of the institution or most alumni would withdraw support. Church leaders can only do so much.The laity are most powerful. Money talks and the masquerade is ending. If one can judge a tree by its fruit, it is time to stop buying bad fruit. If ND lost big money. It's in trouble - William Dennis Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:53:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1569 This battle was lost when Notre Dame and other "Catholic" colleges and universities signed the infamous Land O' Lakes Statement in 1967 and the Church(WHO IS THE CHURCH???) did nothing about it. Remember Gov. Cuomo in 1984? Bernardin at Fordham with his Seamless Garment? All these protests are too little too late. Move on to something else. - William H. Phelan Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:53:06 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1575 "And the Catholic paid the Protestants enough respect to attempt to explain to them why their fears were mistaken." how could President to be Kennedy do that without agreeing to separate his Babtismal /Confirmation oath from the oath of his office to be? CAREER AND CANDIDATE CATHOLICS WERE SANCTIFIED BY Kennedy in the USA and shortly thereafter by Trudeau in Canada. and many like myself followed the new messiah(s). God please forgive us all - Brian Keane Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:28:00 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1574 It is not "Notre Dame University." It is the "University of Notre Dame." How can a site called "The Catholic Thing" not care to get that right? - Matt Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:27:05 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1571 Thank you MR.Royal for that article. As a new Catholic I have been stunned by the division in the Church. Though it took 40 years to get through my thick skull, at least I have an anti-Catholic family for an excuse. Catholics like Fr. Jenkins put their hubris before the magisterium, as Belloc said in Path to Rome doing the “St Vitus' dance” the “shifty eyed intellectual” commits the sin of “intellectual pride.” He continues “no sin is more offensive to the angels.” God bless Mrs. Glendon - Achilles Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:50:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1568 Points well taken. Now it's time for Notre Dame to stand up for what it's supposed to. Or maybe the Church could luck out if the President came to understand the controvery and cancelled his visit. Time to pray. - Concerned Catholic Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:48:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1567 Concerned Catholic, Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Bishop D'Arcy of Fort Wayne/South Bend does not have direct control over the governance of Notre Dame. He has already done all he can by refusing to show up to commencement and chastising Fr. Jenkins in a very well-written letter. I agree that it would be wonderful if Obama were to be "un-invited", but Fr. Jenkins has shown no signs of doing that. God help us. - Andrew Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:20:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1566 This is in reponse to Concerned Catholic. If by the "Catholic Church" standing up you mean the Vatican, well, the Holy Father and the Curia would have time for nothing else if they addressed every public error of every noted American who calls himself or herself Catholic. As it is, many bishops have spoken out against Notre Dame and Obama, and now America's former Vatican ambassador has as well. It's faithful Catholics who must stand up and are standing up. - Brad Miner Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:40:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/confusion-confounded.html#comment-1563 When is the Catholic Church going to open its eyes and cancel the President's visit to Notre Dame? Why isn't the Church standing up to the President? He is pro-abortion and anti-life; no other way to describe him except maybe anti-catholic. And the Church invites him?! If Church officials were to cancel this prominent visit, imagine the headines in the media! The Catholic church would make front page news on all the major networks. And because of doing what? Standing up for the sanctity of life. - Concerned Catholic Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:25:09 +0100