Comments for Notre Dame's Useful Service at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 25 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:17:05 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1843 Sunday's sickening display of co-opted Catholicism at Notre Dame leads me, amidst my sadness, to be grateful, like Dawn (#14). It should be clear now where decades of "accommodation" and "dialogue" have taken the Catholic Church in America. The answer lies in personal holiness, growing closer to Christ through His Blessed Mother every single day. - Fr. Michael Lyons Wed, 20 May 2009 06:19:34 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1841 I read what you wrote. Is that what you meant to say? I would point out that your arguments addressing abortion supporters are correct but your arguement against the invasion of Iraq, in terms of Church teaching, is your opinion. His Holiness JP II agreed with you but he did not speak "ex-cathedra." I was pointing out there is a difference. Your ideology comes thru again by targeting Weigel et. al. in your comment. BTW, I believed that the invasion of Iraq was a bad move at the time also. - Dust Tue, 19 May 2009 22:48:31 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1839 "mildly pro-choice"...LOL God is pro-choice, that's why He gave us free will. But he wants us to choose good over evil. The issue is "abortion"; is abortion good or evil? The Catholic Church teaches that abortion is intrinsically evil and no politician/statesman/actor who is pro-abortion should be honored by a Catholic institution. Sorry Condi. - JDS Tue, 19 May 2009 18:09:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1838 I do not know what the Bishops will do now, but Fr. Jenkins MUST call on the Obama admin. to convene a commission at ND to develop practical policies to meet a common ground and make abortion rare. Both pro-life and pro-choice advocates to be represented. May I make some suggestions for the commission:1) declare taking the life of an innocent human being to be morally unacceptable 2) cap physician abortion fees to $125.00 3) apply a user tax to the woman (income determined) of $500.00 to $20,000 - charlie smith Tue, 19 May 2009 18:06:27 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1836 Dustan, I think you need to read my comment again. All those honorees were publicly pro-choice at the time of their recognition. I do also happen to believe that there exist definitive criteria for just war that, regardless of the protestations of Weigel, etc., can easily be shown not to have been met with regard to Iraq, and that consequently no proponent of that evil should be honored, but this is not the issue I raise. JDS, Rice described herself as "mildly pro-choice" in 2008. - WJ Tue, 19 May 2009 16:29:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1833 WJ, Since the USCCB statement, Catholics in Political Life, was published in 2004, only the alleged award to pro-choice Martin Sheen in 2008 is relevant. I did not hear one word about that award last year...I guess we can thank President Obama for making this year's awards known to the public. For the record, I would have been opposed to Sheen's award last year also. ps. Is Condi Rice still pro-choice? Many people actually change their positions as they mature and attain wisdom. - JDS Tue, 19 May 2009 15:41:50 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1830 WJ, Your argument mixes blurs the differences between what constitutes a just war, the legitimacy of capital punishment and the Church's teaching on those issues and that of abortion. The Church's teaching on are very different. Just wars and capital punishment may be permissable. Abortion is non-negotiable. Putting a "left" or "right" label on those who hold to the actual Church teaching on them would indicate you are politicizing them. The Magisterium is apolitical. Truth is what it Is. - Dustan Chaff Tue, 19 May 2009 15:40:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1828 . . . that Notre Dame awarded the Laetare Medal to pro-choice Daniel Patrick Moynihan (1992) and to pro-choice Martin Sheen (2008) and has hosted pro-choice Condoleeza Rice to deliver a Commencement Address (1995). Condi Rice was also honored with an honorary doctorate from Boston College in 2006. All of these recipients should not have been honored by a Catholic institution of higher learning, and it is instructive to ponder why Catholics (on the right) were relatively mute in their objections. - WJ Tue, 19 May 2009 14:25:11 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1827 As a follow-up to my previous post. Cafeteria Catholics like the pick-and-choose option; they have been using it for years on birth control. The Church teaches it is categorically wrong. No matter if you find a priest who will tell you "go ahead." Same situation here. Go out and find yourself a canon lawyer who will tell you it is okay, and that this document doesn't apply. These progressive Catholics are expert at it, they have been offering confused interpretations of Vatican II for 40 years. - Cavaliere Tue, 19 May 2009 14:23:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1826 The USCCB document is entitled Catholics in Political Life and there is divided opinion about whether it applies to non-Catholics. Bradley, there are more than 70 Bishops that say it does. While many have remained silent, I know of none who have come out and opposed their brother Bishops on this issue. Most importantly as Bishop D'Arcy said, in his Diocese it is his interpretation that matters. - Cavaliere Tue, 19 May 2009 14:22:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1824 I am grateful for what has transpired. For many Catholics who sit confused in the pew week after week this has been a clarifying moment. The mask has been removed. Many institutions which call themselves Catholic, have little or nothing in common with the Truths which Catholicism teaches. Additionally many Catholics, even priests and presidents of universities, espouse philosophies which are in direct contradiction to Our Lord's commands. The line has been drawn, who can say he does not see? - dawn Tue, 19 May 2009 12:43:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1825 Bradley, Are you asserting that Fr. Jenkins is either (a) not Catholic, or (b) not "in public life?" Either argument is demonstrably false. Therefore, the document applies to him. The deeper problem is not whether Obama, as President is invited to speak, but rather that he be awarded the honorary degree. And your comment #2 establishes what can only be considered a similar false dichotomy. Pax et bonum - Keith Töpfer Tue, 19 May 2009 12:43:01 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1823 I do not share your sentiment: such as that “he is the first black president — by the way kudos to him for that." He is not "black," but biracial; and his skin color was an aid in his winning the election. He is as black as he is white. We need to dispense with all references to race as there are an increasing number of interracial marriages. Describing someone according this antiquated notion, which is not supported by science, has always been nonsensical, and it is now becoming impractical. - marie Tue, 19 May 2009 12:42:28 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1822 "What are the leaders of the church going to do?" That is an excellent question. They did nothing beforehand to stop Fr. Jenkins so what are they going to do now. I pray that it will be something. Fr. Jenkins was wrong. Why is it that no one could stop him? His blatant arrogance was astounding. - guest Tue, 19 May 2009 12:30:15 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1821 Bradley, ND honored Obama--there was no dialogue or debate. He wasn\'t engaged with people who disagree with his views. They treated him like an idol. That's what was wrong with it. We have to engage the world like the apostle Paul did--by proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ. And the time when he tried a "dialogue"like approach-at Athens--he failed badly. He learned he had to just proclaim the cross. - MT Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:34 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1820 The USCCB document is entitled Catholics in Political Life and there is divided opinion about whether it applies to non-Catholics. The point is not to argue technicalities or compromise church teaching, but follow another USCCB directive: "We need to do more to persuade all people that human life is precious and human dignity must be defended. This requires more effective dialogue and engagement with all public officials..." (I know...'dialogue' is the new code word for heretic.) - Bradley Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:01 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1819 somehow i think we-those who love God & the Holy Catholic Church- are living in the Garden of Gethsemene. if our Father does not allow this cup to pass (the certain judgement coming upon us) may each of us pray in union with our Lord, "Not my will, but Thine be done." my heart is sore with grief & w/shame i admit i find it a struggle to keep my eyes & mind fixed on the One, True HOPE. pray for me, my brothers & sisters, as if for you, that all we remain firm in Him. St. Maximillan pray for us! - debby Tue, 19 May 2009 11:00:23 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1818 What Megs said. There is no active national politician who can be said to subscribe to the Church's notion of a consistent ethic of life for the simple reason that our existent political system, with its false options between Republican and Democrat, doesn't allow for one. - Wj Tue, 19 May 2009 09:49:38 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1817 Bradley- What part of the USCCB 2004 guidance to Catholic Institutions, including ND, to refrain from honoring those whose actions and positions stand in direct opposition to Church Teaching do you NOT understand? Fr. Jenkins and others is in willful disobedience to that and to Bishop D'Arcy, therefore you applaud disobedience to Church authority. - Dustan Chaff Tue, 19 May 2009 09:49:09 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/notre-dames-useful-service.html#comment-1816 Amen, Father. It is time for the Roman Catholic Episcopate to do even more than speak out, IMHO. It will take leadership and moral courage to do it in the face of significant push-back from many sides, especially within the Church but it must be done. The herodox leaders have made their version of the "church" in America reminesent of Flip Wilson's \"The Church of What's Happin'in Now". (I date myself here). - Dustan Chaff Tue, 19 May 2009 09:09:38 +0100