Comments for Obamacare: Will Seniors Have a Duty to Die? at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 35 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Tue, 21 May 2013 18:51:37 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-3768 The political right is exploiting Catholics and their religion to promote the myth that Obama wants to bump off the elderly. Where and when in all the legislative pieces, over 800 in all, has he ever promoted such a notion? Don't be fooled this isn't the "Catholic Thing" this is the "Conservative Thing" - Meredith Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:40:01 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2637 Julie: Please tell us where the free cancer treatment centers are. God help all cancer sufferers without insurance in the US. - skelly Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:03:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2636 Julie, if you make more than 200% of poverty line, you can't even get a free pap test at the Planned Parenthood in these parts. More than likely, your friends getting treated are on Medicaid, and they are poor. It is a shame that people who've never worked, are given a free ride, but hard workers without insurance have to beg a doctor to take their cases. We need a single payer universal health care, if only to keep as many workers as possible alive to pay for it all. - skelly Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:25:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2516 To find this on a website called "The Catholic Thing" is truly sad. Catholics are called to social justice. This column is full of lies. Nowhere in any of the bills being considered now is there a plan to kill America's seniors. To claim so is disingenious. The plan merely includes reimbursment for completely legal services that are not currently included in Medicare: OPTIONAL consultation with physicians about end-of-life services, like hospice and advanced care directives. - George Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:20:15 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2507 Wow! Who doesn't recieve care in the U.S. that needs it? There are free clinics for children and the poor to recieve immunizations. I know 3 people recieving cancer treatments with no insurance and no means to pay. I have yet to meet a person who does not get critical care when needed. We feed, diaper and cloth anyone in this country who qualifies. What are we reforming? Why would anyone with half a brain want to go into medicine now! Way to go America! - Julie Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:20:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2491 im a 67 year old woman...i think this is the mark of the beast.....if this happens we all may as well say...he is of the nazi world..i work in home health care... - Lucy Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:10:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2482 At 61 I'm not that enthusiastic in living to a ripe old age, but I'll be damned if the gov't will have the say so as to when I die. I think some of you people sound too glib about the subject. Some of you much younger people out there aren't going to be young forever. What this healthcare reform has in store for seniors is an outrage! If this bill passes, your turn at being old will come soon enough, and I don't believe you want the gov't telling you when your time is to die. - Joyce Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:38:25 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2477 There is no monetary value to human life. Period. If you look at Sec. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION, Scoff, page 424-434, it requires people as young as 50 to discuss end-of-life services and other such options. They use doctors and nurses to administer these consultations. The fact that choosing to end your life is even becoming mandatory to be DISCUSSED is directly against what America stands for the pursuit of LIFE, LIBERTY, and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Have you read the bill??? - Absurd Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:41:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2463 Watch out America!!! We are becoming a totalitarian state and Obama wants to kill little babies and old people because they don't pay taxes. End Medicare and refund the tax dollars to us. Obama must be impeeched. - Orthodox Catholic Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:34:07 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2461 When the poor reach the "doughnut hole" and can no longer afford their medication, are they not then condemed to die from their illness? Many people don't realize that the amount necessary to reach that point is based, not on what we pay, but what the pharmacy charges. Take a look at what is charged and you will find that many of the medications most widely used by senior citizens cost one or two hundred dollars. It adds up quickly. - dolores Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:19:09 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2456 Dr. Emanuel in Lancet: "[T]he complete lives system requires only that citizens see a complete life, however defined, as an important good, and accept that fairness gives those short of a complete life stronger claims to scarce life-saving resources." The graph that accompanies his article shows that the claims of elderly patients are weak. Rationing is inevitable in Obamacare. - Brad Miner Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:57:06 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2453 People, start thinking for yourselves. Jesus threw money changers out of the Temple. Just because a fool named Marlin stamps the beloved name of Catholic on his BS writing doesn't mean it's true. Our Church needs to go after people like this. I challenge anyone here to get the bill and show me where it says what he alleges. Go. THINK PEOPLE! Doesn't anyone believe our health care needs reform!!?? - Scoff Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:32:00 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2447 My father-in-law was a victim of euthanasia in the Netherlands at age 76. Although sick, he was still bright and alert and enjoyed life. His doctors took him off a ventilator in the middle of the night and called us to say he was "dying." My husband arrived just in time for his father to die in his arms. The doctor said he had no vital signs, but he was alive when my husband held him. Later we learned that he died of a staph infection, something he would have been treated for in the US. - Annette Janssen Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:29:06 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2446 Yes, Seniors must not be allowed to live past 59 1/2 years of age or they will begin taking from the SS dried-up pool of money that is now being re-allocated to cover other unrelated costs. The Corporotocracy enabled by big government has provided the mechanisms for this to occur through various means. How dare American persons reap the reward of sucking off the SS system they paid into all of their lives. It is their duty to bow down to big companies and die in the name of profit. - bill Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:34:57 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2444 Re: Comment # 5 "...we need to see the specifics of the bill..." Sorry John, we'll never see anything except the creation of a governmental agency empowered to "establish" policy. A faceless entity which is allowed to implement whatever it wants as with so many other "agencies" created by legislation. - Richard Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:49:47 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2442 Thanks for the return comment Bradley, I didn't mean to imply that you have a "blanket endorsement" of Obama's platform, but I am saying there is a very strong theme of saying one thing and intending another in much of what the Obama admin puts forward. So, if Dr. Emanuel "wants de jure prohibition but de facto euthanasia" as Mr. Miner points out then Mr. Marlin has not distorted his position, only bypassed the false rhetoric. Ideology is the enemy. - Achilles Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:19:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2441 Well stated analysis of the reality of the push for "reforming health care" in the USA. The problems of deciding how to spend limited resources will not be simply solved by legislative fiat. It is a cultural problem and it will take years of discussion to come to a societal consensus. I hope that consensus does not become "comfort care" (morphine pills or drops) for all who are "too old" to meet the economic calculus. That seems to be the "simple" answer of the Chicago boys and others. - DocJim Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:18:18 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2440 To Bradley, John McCarthy, all: Comments #5 & 16 indicate why people defending the primacy of human life are wrong to cooperate with Barak Obama et al. 'Progressives' are trying to rush the bill through, and speaking 'double-speak' to get their way. "For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." - Chris from Maryland Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:17:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2437 We normally don't permit links to other sites within comments--it's too time consuming to follow up on each of them--but in the case of the CERC citation Bradley uses we'll make an exception. What you fail to metnion, Bradley, is that Dr. Emanuel wants de jure prohibition but de facto euthanasia. As he writes just after the sentence you quoted: "This does not mean we deny that in exceptional cases interventions are appropriate . . ." - Brad Miner Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:53:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/obamacare-will-seniors-have-a-duty-to-die.html#comment-2438 Mr. Miner, Thanks for your agreeing to print, and your comments are duly noted. By the way, several weeks ago, in response to my query about TCT's silence on the announced Benedict-Obama meeting, you replied that it would be inappropriate to comment since the meeting had not yet taken place. Several weeks have now passed since the meeting. Do any of TCT's columnists have anything to say? - Bradley Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:47:16 +0100