Comments for Lies, Damned Lies, and Phony Science at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 23 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:07:25 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-10981 Do you ever stop to think that everything you believe is a form of brainwashing. Open up your mind and you will find that everything that religion espouses to rational thought appears to be abnormal. In fact it's immoral. Imagine religion renouncing science...can't we realize how truly ridiculous that is. It's truly sickening how religion teaches us to hate. - Carolyn Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:38:47 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3219 Rose, The catechism also says that homosexuals should not suffer from unjust discrimination. Note that this considers there is just discrimination against homosexuals. This would include not allowing them to marry or adopt. The Church says that homosexual adoption does "violence" to the child. The Church also teaches that the homosexual act is intrinsically disordered and objectively evil. I guess Dignity forgot the whole teaching of the Church. Austin - Austin Ruse Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:15 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3217 From DignityUSA.org: "In their 1976 statement, To Live in Christ Jesus, the American bishops wrote, "Some persons find themselves through no fault of their own to have a homosexual orientation. Homosexuals, like everyone else, should not suffer from prejudice against their basic human rights. They have a right to respect, friendship, and justice. They should have an active role in the Christian community.…" I notice the lack here of observing the difference between gay and celibate or not. - Rose Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:00:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3211 Catherine, The American Psychiatric Association still holds that pedophilia is treatable and that pedophiles can therefore be returned to the company of children. The psychological sciences have been remarkably discredited in recent years. Moreover, read the history of the takeover of their associations by homosexuals and you will see that their declassification of homosexuality as a disorder was less "scientific" than political. Austin - Austin Ruse Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:12:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3207 Thanks Austin for a good article. Some years ago I was involved with HLI in bringing Fr Harvey to Australia to establish "Courage" here. I met many good people who were fighting this disorder and attended many talks and read many books. I still consider "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth" by Jeffrey Satinover (a non Catholic Christian) to be the best book on the topic. Homosexuals need help and genuine love. - Paul Hanrahan Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:50:15 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3203 Jack,call me disgraceful or whatever you like,you are just as entitled to your opinion as i am to mine on the issue.You don't realise the implication of allowing an abomination into the church. Why did God DESTROY Sodom and Gomorrah?God might be using this issue to test us as christians.See how far we are bending His rules.Also aren't such scandals in the church enough? Now we want to give it our stamp of approval.Lets be obedient.Remember it was disobedience that caused our problems with God. - dede Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:08:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3206 Brad: I appreciate your trying to redeem Dede's comments, but the later post clearly indicates Dede is not simply speaking of a political agenda. Dede: Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but there are good and bad opinions and yours is bad. We probably agree on the fundamental issue that homosexuality is a disordering of God\'s design for human sexuality. But as Christians our response should not be hate and closed doors, but love and invitations to share in the healing of Christ. - Jack Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:07:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3205 I think it can be argued from common sense, with anyone possessing a shred thereof, that there is no Bisexual or Transgender gene. Divide, discredit, conqueor. (Well, the last is just a hope.) - Tom Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:07:28 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3202 The American Psychological Association hasn’t considered “gay” a disorder; others say it's a "gender-identity" problem. In a new statement (Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality) APA states: "There is no consensus...about the exact reasons that an individual develops [sexual]...orientation. Although much research has examined the...influences on sexual orientation, no findings...[prove it] is determined by any particular factor or factors." - Catherine Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3201 The success of homosexual propaganda is to be found in the mainstreaming of homosexuality in popular media and entertainment, poor catechesis, the absence of Sunday sermons addressing the phenomena, the desire of most people (even Catholics) to " fit in," the choke hold liberalism has on the education system, and a falling off of the Faith. We are being sifted folks. - Linus Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:59:58 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3200 While I appreciate your efforts to clarify the scientific questions, ultimately these are only important if you are accepting utilitarian assumptions. Even if science could prove those claims it wouldn't matter. Our arguments are based on reason (there are not even necessarily based on faith as Mr. Ruse suggests). We need to argue that utilitarianism is not the only acceptable moral principle. By being upset about these studies we are conceding their utilitarian premises. - Anthony Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:57:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3199 I don't think Dede was suggesting homosexuals shouldn't come to Mass, only that they ought to leave their political agendas at the church door. - Brad Miner Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:07:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3194 What i cannot understand is why homosexuals inisist on forcing themselves on the church. Why cant they stay in their space instead of polluting the church. I think as long as they stay away from the church, they can be whatever they choose to be... its wanting to force themselves on the church that bothers me... let them be whereever they come from and leave the church alone - dede yebovi Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:04:40 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3198 What we have left is our faith and through it we must provide teaching by example. Pray for the intercession of the Holy Ghost. - Hank Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:04:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3197 To "Dede" Your comments are disgraceful and thankfully the Church has far greater love than you exhibit. No one should stay away from the Church. It is only through God that we will realize our faults and seek forgiveness. Christ himself said he did not come to heal the healthy but the sick. Perhaps men and women of homosexual orientation are "forcing" themselves on the Church because they are seeking a place of love and direction in a world that has rejected them. - Jack Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:03:30 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3196 Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, a Catholic psychologist in Los Angeles, is one of the premiere researchers in this area, and perhaps the only major researcher with a Christian/natural law perspective. He's written much about same-sex attraction in men after counseling hundreds of them in his career, and in his talks and recent books, he makes a very strong case for the psychological roots of SSA based in childhood attachment issues w/ parents, both father and mother, and he's successfully treated many men. - Kevin in Texas Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:02:55 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3193 50 Years of language destruction has had an effect. What began as patronizing tolerance has ended with gibberish being enthroned. Standards count. The irony of faith vs faith is stunning. - Watcher Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:01:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3191 Bishop Sheen said what was worse than sin is the denial of sin. Whether it's adultery or homosexual behavior, it remains sin, and condemned by God. Would a Loving God command us to do something or refrain from something that is not in our power to do? That is why we have free will. - Joseph Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:48:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3189 Excellent piece! One of the most damnable utterance for the ears of the unwary these day is, "studies have shown." Before one should even listen to such rhetoric one should ask who did the studies. Another common statement I have heard from my own children is, " Dad they cannot help it they were born that way." Then are humans born with a sexual proclivity to bestiality? I agree effeminate characteristics may be hereditary but a homosexual they do not make. Are we now to deny man's culpability? - Willie Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:47:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2009/lies-damned-lies-and-phony-science.html#comment-3188 Ultimately, it is a question of principle, not science. If you think homosexuality wrong, it simply won't matter what the studies show. Conversely, it you think there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, the studies are irrelevant. I agree with the interlocutor, my faith does not depend on scientific studies. That is good news. - crazylikeknoxes Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:46:57 +0100