Comments for Catholics & Pagans: Then & Now at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 10 out of 10 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Tue, 21 May 2013 21:02:38 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4325 Thank you for this interesting perspective. Anscombe was great. CS Lewis could have told you that - after their famous debate at Oxford. By one story he ended up concentrating on his fiction writing afterwards - Vincent Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:37:59 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4324 when i was a little girl, i would wonder what if adam & eve had rejected satan's apple? what would LIFE be like? now i am so old! & i think that the temptation in Eden is offered in each age in it's turn. our age has the "apple" of "choice." "choice" over which sex to marry, who to have sex with, how to avoid all consequences of any behavior. here's a clue: if it doesn't promote life, it's from the enemy of life. RUN! FLEE THE OCCASION OF SIN! and BRING LIFE WITH YOU IN EVERY SINGLE ARENA YOU ENTER. Yes, be a radical Catholic who is not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ! for within it, and there ALONE, is life, freedom, love. He is everything we need. and this world desperately needs to know. Tell the school teachers, the moms at the bus stop, the dads at little league, that lady in the supermarket. pray as you pass Strip Lounges for OUR LADY to bring them to Her Son & restore the dignity the enemy has stolen! ask God to give you opportunities to spread His Gospel & you will be amazed! say "GOD BLESS YOU"-even when people don't sneeze- instead of Good-bye and see what happens. people are dying for what we have! - debby Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:49:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4322 Tom is entirely mistaken: All sorts of glowing predictions were made when the Pill was introcuded: That it would make marriages happier (the divorce rate shot up); that it would reduce the demand for abortion (ditto); that it would free women (who ended up the losers of the sexual revolution). The best prognosticator turned out to be Pope Paul VI in sec. 17 of Humanae Vitae - George Sim Johnston Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:47:56 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4321 I had just posted some related comments on my blog when I came across Mr. Hanley's essay. It's an insightful piece and much better written than my online scribblings. It needs wide dissemination and I have included links to it from my blog. Catholic Thing is one of my daily doses of sanity. Thank you. God's peace... - Deacon Dana Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:25:26 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4319 I am just wondering why the Catholic Thing so easily recognizes paganism in relation to sexuality but is silent when it comes to paganism and economic relations. Pornography, contraceptives and all the rest are pervasive because they pay and our civilization, the regime of capitalism, has the pursuit of Mammon as its highest aim. Interestingly, Jesus had more to say about money being a spiritual liability than just about anything else his teachings covered. - Quaecumque Vera Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:56:31 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4318 To me it is very telling that we challenge the culture on its annihilation of millions of unborn, but are very unwilling to challenge the sexual morality that drives the abortion culture. Oh we have official positions about contraception, fornication, pornography and immodesty- the elements that create hypersexuality in which the abortion culture flourishes- but we dare not oppose them with the same dedication and implacability that we bring to the pro-life cause. I think we sense that is where real martyrdom awaits. Are we going to picket the strip clubs, the pornography outlets, or create banners that say, "Have one more child" and hold them up at busy intersections? Prolife is at least respectable, but hitting at the heart of hypersexualism would be "extreme" and very dangerous. Am I wrong? - Lee Gilbert Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:43:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4317 "Christianity taught that men ought to be as chaste as pagans thought honest women ought to be; the contraceptive morality teaches that women need to be as little chaste as pagans thought men need be." Pithy and memorable. I agree with Jacob. The West is obsessed with sex in its non-procreative capacities, and thus is also obsessed with contraception, and its thug handmaiden, abortion. - Christian Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:48:34 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4316 Perfect! Tom if you're going to accuse someone of not supporting his position, it's always wise to support your position! You seem like a hermit when you say that the other side of the culture wars doesn't idolize birth control, whether it be the regular "pill", morning after, or abortion. All of their politics are built around their "truth" that a women's right to murder trumps the life of what her actions have created. Go look at every social statistic from the last ten years if you want proof that the hook up culture is dominating the Western world and leading towards its demise at least in its current form. - Jacob Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:20:53 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4315 Very good piece! Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice! - Willie Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:56:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/catholics-a-pagans-then-a-now.html#comment-4314 I agree that Catholics need to be engaged in culture and I am grateful for the Anscombe quotes you provided. The problem is that you employ straw men as your pagan interlocuters which are inconsistent with the reality of culture. You say that advocates of birth-control "herald the pill as the sina qua non of progress." That is simply untrue. If you are going to engage culture, you need an accurate understanding of it. It is very easy to hyperbolize and demonize your intellectual opponents, but it will do nothing for your cause if you avoid the truth. - Tom Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:53:25 +0100