Comments for The “Catholics for Obama” Syndrome at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 18 out of 18 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:34:43 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4417 Ah, the fruits of Vatican II! Enjoy. - hoome Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:59:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4385 blue8064 says, "John McCain was no pro-lifer either." When faced with a choice between two candidates who are not pro-life, a Catholic is morally obligated to vote for the candidate who represents the least extreme position. By no stretch of the imagination can one claim that Senator McCain is more extreme than President Obama on abortion. The choice to not support the Obama campaign was clear to anyone with a properly formed conscience. - Mark Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:50:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4353 The Catholic Church has had Cafeteria Catholics for at least the past 40 yrs as a misinterpretation of Vat II which our priests and bishops failed to correct - there are still pockets of these clery to be found everywhere. Until they are gone, and Benedict XVI replaces bishops with traditional (read orthodox) men, these misinterpretations will continue. Stand firm in your faith. And, if they don't want to hear it, shake the dust off your feet and move on. Truth always prevails. - Liz Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:35:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4348 GREAT article! And I'm so glad to have that "Share" button now so that I can post my favorite TCT articles on my Facebook. - Jill Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:32:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4347 I have read many articles on this subject, including several from TCT but this is the best ever. I plan to send copies of this article to several of my family and friends. THANK YOU PROFESSOR KAINZ!! - John Abel Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:05:47 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4346 Let us not forget that until LBJ's Great Society in the 1960s, Aid for Dependent Children (ADC) became Aid for Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), eliminating the bar to aid for bastards. The father had to step up for the mother to qualify for dependent assistance. If he didn't, or wouldn't, Mom was on her own. That was a rather inhibiting factor for casual sex. Or as Milton Friedman starkly stated, "If you pay for more bastards, you get more bastards." - Harry Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:12:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4345 It never fails in discussing this topic that someone misses the whole point of the topic as blue8064 does above by introducing the irrelevant "John McCain was not pro-life either" canard. The key difference is that while most pro-lifers never believed John McCain to be "pro-life" they nevertheless understood that he was a better alternative than the aggressively abortion promoting Obama. They also understood as most of the "Catholics for Obama" camp that Professor Kainz describes do not, is that abortion is not just one among many social ills. And that even if John McCain or any other Republican was 100% pro-life on each issue that this group would still not vote for him. This is a well written article that addresses some key points. - Cavaliere Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:57:57 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4344 "So I tried to tell just these kinds of Catholics that I thought it was a sin to vote for Obama..they won't talk to me anymore. "..count your blessings. - Joe Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:01:25 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4343 It is always refreshing to get a splash of cold truth in a time of lukewarm acceptance of daily evils as the norm. The transvaluation is nearly complete. The 7 deadly sins have been either converted to virtues or at worst, maladies requiring therapy of various kinds. - Joe Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:28:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4342 If I may paraphrase a past president. It all depends on what your definition of Catholic is. I can assure you that my definition differs vastly from that of Ms Pelosi, Mr Kerry, most of the Kennedys, et al. When was the last time anyone heard a priest tell his congregation to leave their Catholicism in the pews when they exit the church, but that is precisely the excuse for so-called Catholic politicians. They claim their position as servants of the public somehow trump their moral duty as a Catholic. Unfortunately, there are many who buy into that argument and claim full time status as a Catholic while giving part time service to the teachings of the church. - Chris Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:22:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4340 It is clear that the contraceptive ethos leaves society without an argument against homosexual marriage. When the assumption is taken that pleasure alone justifies sex, then it is no longer possible to make any but an academic distinction between sex and sodomy. This is so because the separation of sex from procreation renders available any port in a storm. After separating the communicative from the procreative aspects of sex, any argument against the legal recognition of the committed relationships of homosexuals will be seen only as "mean-spirited," "homophobic" prejudice. - James Danielson Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:54:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4339 This is an excellent and needed statement of what is at stake and how we must proceed. - JBL Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:50:30 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4337 What the 2008 election demonstrates, once again, is the blind stupidity of the American voter, including the Catholics who voted for Obama. Firstly, how can one claim to be a Catholic, such as the wayward Richard O'Brien, when one chooses to cherry-pick the teachings of the Church. If you favor abortion, gay marriage and women's ordination you can easily become a Protestant and have your way. After all, isn't that what religion is today? Finding a set of beliefs YOU can live with and which fit your lifestyle. I hold no brief for either political party - they are both equally noxious - and hold my nose when I vote Republican, which has been labeled the Party of No. Better, however, than being the Party of Death. Finally, Obama's pledge to get us out of the war may have duped some, but 18 months after his inauguration, the war in Iraq continues unabated and the violence in Afghanistan increases on the heels of his ordering 30,000 more US troops into combat. Nietzsche's dictum of turning evil into good (the Nobel Peace Prize confirming) is once again validated in the modern world. - Joe Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:42:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4336 Professor Kainz: Thank you. Please continue to teach us. In order to do more good than harm, we must offer rational, difficult-to-refute arguments. I do not think it is possible to exaggerate the importance of good teachers, certainly, if ever, now. - Ars Artium Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:27:56 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4335 An insightful article, professor. And you rightly state that if the forces that brought about the Culture of Death are not turned around, they will eventually consume us. Malcolm Muggeridge, even before he became a Christian, saw it clearly: "What I want to say is that in [Humane Vitae] the finger is pointed on the point that really matters: namely, that through human procreation the great creativity of men and women comes into play, and that to interfere with that creativity, to seek to relate it merely to pleasure, is to go back to pre-Christian times and ultimately to destroy the civilisation that Christianity has brought about...If there is one thing I feel absolutely certain about, it is that. One thing that I know will appear in social histories in the future is that the dissolution of our way of life, our Christian way of life and all that it has meant to the world, relates directly to the matters raised in Humanae Vitae." - H. Ross Howard Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:26:58 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4334 So I tried to tell just these kinds of Catholics that I thought it was a sin to vote for Obama..they won't talk to me anymore. - jacob Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:18:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4333 John McCain was not pro-life either. First of all, he voted for embryonic stem cell research. In addition, in September 1995, he voted to REQUIRE that states have family caps in their welfare policies, a provision where welfare payments are not increased for additional children born to welfare mothers; and to REQUIRE that states deny support for minors who bear children out of wedlock. These are all pro-abortion--the fact that these were requirements makes them all the more clearly pro-abortion. - blue8064 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:57:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/the-catholics-for-obama-syndrome.html#comment-4332 thank you for your insightful article - we need more professors like you who write and teach the truth!! - annie Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:32:25 +0100