Comments for Religiously Unmusical - and Musical at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sat, 25 May 2013 21:51:38 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4427 Dear Augustinus: To clarify on Korea, Koreans who were baptized by Jesuits in China returned to Korea in 1783 and preached and baptized without priests. Later they sent for priests and the Faith began to take root. Then the Church there underwent waves of repression resulting in great martyrdom. Although the faith survived through great heroism in the near absence of priests, it is hard to say that it flourished. Japan, however, does provide an example of priestlessness; what was left of the Faith (after early 17th-century brutal persecution wiped out the clergy) was barely recognizable by the missionaries who were allowed to return several centuries later. No priests, no Church, in the long run. - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:37:11 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4426 where have you gone to observe spiritual manifestations? 4 example .. when i went to Medjugorje .. i observed the VM spirit appearing 2 the visionaries.. and other manifestations.. that can be now observed on U-tube - bonehead Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:57:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4425 "You’ve probably never heard of them, but maybe it’s time that some of us begin to make them and similar phenomena better known." Alright, here you go. Have you heard of the Carmelites of Valparaiso, NE? Their Mass and all offices are in Latin, but nevertheless they have had many young women enter their convent recently to the point that they've had to make a new foundation in PA...and are preparing to make another. Then there is the 150 member Latin Mass community at St. Birgitta's in Portland, OR that has already contributed two nun to Valparaiso, with another two in the wings, and a third going to a cloistered Dominican order in LA. Two young men from the parish are studying for the priesthood, one with the Carmelites of Wyoming, another is a deacon with the Priestly Society of St. Peter. Other young people of the parish are expressing interest in religious life. There is a message here someplace for bishops and vocation directors. There is not the least doubt that young people want authenticity. Not wearing a habit, having a labyrinth, and and flaunting a spirituality of resentment toward the Magisterium is institutional suicide. To the religiously inclined young people of today it says, "We are as flakey as can be, and won't be around long. If you want to be part of a death watch, join us." When are these nuns going to wake up? It's tragic, really. Nevertheless, the Lord is at work and the traditional orders are flourishing. Well, the positive news is that relgious life is flourishing - Lee Gilbert Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:47:00 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4424 Wonderful, Mr. Royal..absolutely wonderful essay. I hate to admit it, but I would rather read this website and publications like First Things, Catholic World Report, Inside the Vatican, Homiletic and Pastoral Review and Touchstone..or any one of the above,than listen to one year of sermons from the pulpit. I hate to say it, but it is true. One wonders what our clergy are reading these days. You can only give what you've got !!! - Naomi Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:43:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4423 Fraternities of Jerusalem sounds very interesting. Do you know if they have a presence in the US? I couldn't find anything on their website. - CatholicTide Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:21:13 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4422 Good points well made. Dawkins et al have recently stepped up their attacks in what certainly appears to be a kind of panic. Any reasonable person looking around at the popular "culture" (see Real Housewives of New Jersey if a refresher is required) must feel queasy. Secular statists in their triumphalism at the "end of history" have taken us perilously close to the edge of ... something nasty covered in mist for now. Most people suspect, even if they do not articulate it, that when the mist burns away we will all be face to face with something very unpleasant indeed. - Joe Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:13:31 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4419 Mr. Royal writes, "Around the world, there is religious ferment, and not only among Muslims and fundamentalists, which helps explain why the Richard Dawkins and his ilk are in such a nasty panic." A question that arises is whether it's better to believe in no God, as Richard Dawkins does (other than himself), or to believe in a false God, as the Islamists do. Who is more dangerous, Mr. Dawkins, who, along with countless other non-believers, still have an opportunity to find their way to the true God of Christianity, or the thousands of radical Muslim jihadists who blow themselves up and others and commit all sorts of violence to attain their "paradise"? I submit that as noxous as Richard Dawkins and his ilk may seem to the Church, he is relatively harmless and remains open to conversion to the faith, unlike those who follow a false religion zealously and have closed their minds to the truth. - Giuseppe Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:51:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/religiously-unmusical-and-musical.html#comment-4418 I have learned that Korea was at one time left without the hierarchy for more than a century and yet Catholic life has kept flourishing. - agustinus purnama Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:13:49 +0100