Comments for Listen to the Woman at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 6 out of 6 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Tue, 21 May 2013 23:03:56 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4705 Mr Ruse, This is the best article I've read on this topic in a long time. I know bc I aborted my daughter 40 yrs ago this yr. It makes absolutely NO difference if Jack can find 1000 mothers who say that aborting their children was the best thing they ever did. The fact remains that, for every baby that dies, a mom dies too. You can't rip a baby out of her & not lose part of her too. Period. - gb Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:59:29 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4684 Jack T. I can bring you a lot of people who would say that methamphetamine use is more or less ok "in moderation"...and a lot more who would say the same about cocaine. That in itself (at least for me) is no argument for decriminalizing cocaine or meth use, or pretending that they're ok because not everyone overdosed. (I have to note that in the case of abortion everybody dies.) If you're willing to make the claim that cocaine or meth use are good or even a push for society then I think you're not capable of meaningful debate sir. Now that we know that a fetus has a unique DNA strand at the moment of conception can't we agree that the least inhumane thing to do is not murder a human being? - Jacob Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:26:14 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4683 And let's remember what the Church teaches about imperfect contrition. She allows for forgiveness of those whose sorrow is alloyed with self-interest, that is, fear of punishment. It's not as good as perfect contrition, that done for love, but it is still efficacious. And by the way, none of the women standing in the public square regretting their abortions are there for any other reason than the deaths of their children. - Austin Ruse Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:51:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4679 Of course, the other side will find ways to counter all arguments. This should not stop us from telling the truth, in this case that the killing of her own child harms a woman, sometimes irrevocably. Please go back and read my piece because I talk mostly about pre-abortion pro-woman arguments against abortion, that is, that we are required in charity to have a radical solidarity with the unexpectantly expectant mother such as that you will find in crisis pregnancy centers. - Austin Ruse Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:40:20 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4678 You certainly make some good points, but it seems to me that the problem with these types of arguments is that the other side can find women who were not emotionally affected by their abortions (or at least who claim not to be) and women who felt very strongly that this was their choice and they were not forced into anything. This is fundamentally an issue about the moral/legal status of a child. If it was about the damage done to women, then the focus would be on mitigating the harmful side-effects of abortion. In fact, I read in a magazine a few years ago of "abortion support groups" where the abortion clinics meet with women after they have had their abortions to help them through the process. At the level of society the pro-women arguments work to raise awareness of, as you rightly pointed out, that this is not oftentimes a pure "choice." But, again, the other-side may find ways to argue around that, including the study that Mary Eberstadt wrote about on TCT on happiness and child-bearing. - Jack T. Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:18:13 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/listen-to-the-woman.html#comment-4677 Good thoughts. Truth may be painted over, but paint will flake off in time. I think that is why hope is a virtue. - Joe Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:32:17 +0100