Comments for They Do Hate JP II, Don’t They? at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 24 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Tue, 21 May 2013 15:49:02 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-6240 "Extra Ecclesiam Nullus omnino Salvatur" - absolutely no salvation outside of the church - Lat. Council 1215 and Council of Florence 1441 - ex cathedra/de fide: However, his end no one knows but Pope JPII did: Preside over an enormous pedophile/homosexual scandal - that he allowed pagan gods to be worshiped on the Catholic Altar at Assissi as a Dominican priest ran out of the church screaming, "sacrilige, sacrilige" - that he took part in pagan rituals as with African Animists, who worship satan and during which a snake came out of its liar and slithered around JPII,s feet - that he allowed lewd and half naked acts to preform in his presence, that he attended non-catholic worship in both Jewish and Protestant temples, which was a mortal sin against the faith from the time of Christ until Vatican II - that he professed and espoused doctrines, albeit in his personal and private capacity as a Bishop, that were contrary to near 2000 years of Catholic belief and teaching, etc., etc, and that during the pontificate of JPII, millions of Catholics, scandalized by the actions of the Church and it's hierarchy, left the faith or no longer attend the sacraments. This is no where near the legacy of a saint but of one who presided over the destruction of the faith. - Robert Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:17:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5722 A couple of Thanksgivings ago a cradle Catholic shouted me down at the dinner table for simply stating the truth -- that the Church prohibits abortion period. He was a "personally-opposed-but-won't-obstruct" a woman's "right to choose" Catholic. As for emptying the pews... One mile south of the Catholic parish where I entered the Church on Easter Vigil 2009 is the Episcopal parish where I was an altar boy. I recently came across its Sunday bulletin (now published once a month). Among the stats for that previous spring: births - 0; baptisms - 0. Meanwhile the orthodox Catholic parish has a K-12 program (whose robotics team wins international events) and several well-attended masses each weekend and a 24-hr Adoration Chapel. John Allen's books on the papacy and the Holy See are well worth reading for converts such as myself. But I can barely spend more than a few minutes on the NCR site. I prefer CNA. - Graham Combs Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:14:53 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5721 Austin: Thank you for your response. The concern that I have is with the ambiguous "they" you have in the title and then bringing in figures like Kaveny and placing them in this "they" that hate JPII. Kaveny is wrong on a lot of things, but to ascribe hatred of the Holy Father to her without any reference is unfair. - Jack T. Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:24:16 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5719 Actually, Jack, I receive John Allen's report in my inbox. I read the news with great joy and immediately made plane and hotel reservations on one of the dates he guessed it would happen. I scrolled to the bottom of his story and was slapped in the face by the comments. I then, yes, checked in the other heterodox central and discovered the same unhappiness but with more temperance. I think I reported this accurately and also made distinctions such as one cannot judge a site strictly on the comment boxes. But, the chum one puts in the water attracts a certain kind of fish. In the case of dotCommonweal and especially with NCR, the chum they put out attracts the bitter and/or the dissident. This is undeniable. - Austin Ruse Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:40:47 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5718 In 1917 the Lady of the Rosary appeared in Fatima to three children who were shepherds for their families, Lucia,9-Francisco, 7 and his sister Jacinta, 6. She showed them a vison of Hell. They were horrified. Lucia: Will I go to Heaven? Yes but you will live for many years. Will Jacinta go too? Yes. Will Francisco? Yes, but he will have to say many Rosaries. A girl between the ages of 18 and 20 had died. Is Amelia in Heaven? The Lady replied "Amelia will be in purgatory until the end of the world." Belief in those six apparitions was what built the pre-Vatican II Church. The disbelief in them is what has destroyed It. - Bill Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:54:38 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5717 " the Beatification of Pius XII on October 9, 2012." Please tell me. Is this true or only wishful thinking? - Louise Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:10:53 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5716 Why does everything Mr. Ruse writes need to be so condemnatory of others? My guess is that upon hearing the good news about John Paul the Great Mr. Ruse immediately went to the NCR and Commonweal blogs to find some hostile quote he could use to chastigate their Catholicism and publicly deride them on this page. When he could not find any such comments, he turned to commentators on their blogs finding the most salacious quotes and examples of poor spelling in an attempt to smear the reputation of the journals at large. That is intellectually dishonest. And having read some of the past comments on this blog, I should think Mr. Ruse would be wary of so closely associating comments on blogs with authors who write for them. - Jack T. Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:28:49 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5715 I would try not to read too much into the slavering rants of faceless commentators. There is something about the comfortable anonymity of the internet that encourages even the most outwardly docile to pointlessly release their inner rage, even against the most innocuous targets. - Ken Sat, 15 Jan 2011 07:41:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5714 Austin, your being banned by the Commonweal blog is indicative of what is going on. I read John Allen's blog, and added a comment that the blog is in danger of being a support group for Catholic dissidents. This comment was censored (omitted), like some of my previous comments. But at least I haven't yet been banned by NCR! - Howard Kainz Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:20:40 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5713 This is wonderful! And, I am so looking forward to the Beatification of Pius XII on October 9, 2012. Awesome! - Don Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:44:16 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5712 Austin, a room with a view would be nice. On the other hand, I imagine the furnishings in purgatory are a bit more spartan. Sheen tells the story about a guy who went to heaven and said he wanted to go to hell for the weekend to see what it was like. So, he is allowed to go and after two days there he goes back to heaven. St. Peter asks him, "So, how was it?" The guy says, "Actually, it was pretty good. Had a nice time. I'd like to go back for another weekend." So he goes back and spends another two great days and tells St. Peter he'd like to go again. So he goes back a third time and he finds he is miserable. He says to the Devil, "I had such a wonderful time the last two weekends, but now I am miserable. Why is that?" The Devil says, "You were a guest then. Now you're a permanent resident." Or something like that. As for me, I'd settle for a Motel 6 on the fringes of the New Jerusalem, as long as I could be with my dogs, eat lasagna and break par. - Grump Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:57:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5711 Well, actually, Grump, everyone in Heaven is a Saint...and, yes, there is housing... - Austin Ruse Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:49:18 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5709 Of course they hate him. They hated Jesus. They hated the apostles. The World and those of the world will always hate us (by us I mean all Christians that speak truth--I am not Catholic, though I have a great reverence for the Catholic Church). - Martha Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:28:14 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5708 When you're a saint, does that mean you get a bigger mansion in heaven? Just askin' - Grump Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:21:07 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5707 It really saddens me to hear the angry and condemning voices relative to JPII. I think that the AP got it right in calling JPII "a universally beloved figure". People should revisit the tremendous outpouring of love from around the world when JPII died. It was far beyond anyone's expectations. He was a holy man and people knew it If nothing else, what he did for the young people with the World Youth Days will live on and help bring our Church back to Life. It is painful for me to hear someone I love, and the Church I love, talked about in such vitriolic terms. Sometimes I think that those who speak the loudest and harshest are the ones who should examine their own consciences. - Sherry Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:18:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5705 There are many things I don't understand about these so called Catholics but what is most puzzling to me is that they insist on calling themselves Catholics. The fact is that JPII should have been made a Saint many times over many years ago: without him the Soviet Empire may have taken 100s of millions of innocent souls with it when it collapsed. Why don't these hate filled and irrational bigots not simply quit the Church and join some other? Are they sadomasocists? Do they protesteth too much? - The Moz Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:04:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5704 There are many who long ago left the Faith, and haven't got around to leaving the Church. A middle-age priest in a prairie diocese wrote us for Christmas that 60-ish "Age of Aquarius" priests there are resigned to the fact that the new, growing vocations roles are more 'conservative' than the aging rebels. This poor diocese was lost in the weeds for 40 years but has been returning to health this past 5 years. Were it my choice, John Paul II would not be canonized, but if the Lord provides it, then I defer. - Dennis Larkin Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:51:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5703 Truly, who cares what the pagans believe? Beatification or sainthood is not a popularity contest. Remember the first public opinion poll took place on Pilate's front porch and, as I recall, Barabbas got a lot more votes than Jesus. - John Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:14:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5702 It would appear that the Vatican is unmoved by the cant of the unhinged to which you refer. JP II's beautification is scheduled for 01 MAY. - Yezhov Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:39:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/they-do-hate-jp-ii-dont-they.html#comment-5701 This from those who canonized Ted Kennedy immediately upon his death. - Brian Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:37:44 +0100