Comments for In the Heart of the Dons at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:26:52 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6619 Lecture mentioned above can be found at Voegelin View website - stosh Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:28:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6618 I was just reading the lecture The University and the Order of Society from the 70's that touches on many of the points here...such as "society is man writ large" i.e. a good society begins with good men. The main point is the university or "dons" as pointed out. I was unaware that as far back as 1970 the idea of the university "as microcosm of society" was advocated. - stosh Thu, 21 Apr 2011 05:46:39 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6595 How often we Christians look forward to the moment of death when all mysteries will be solved, and how frustrating it must be for "intellectuals" to walk about the earth "knowing" all the answers. We look forward to heaven, and live in a way to avoid hell. They live for themselves and are rewarded with worms? We serve and are happy. They are self-serving, destructive, and depressed. And they want to convince us we are wrong and to join them. Reminds me of Darth Vader--COME TO THE DARK SIDE. - Jo the Housewife Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:14:46 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6594 While at first glance Nietzsche can be seen as much anti-Marx as anti-Christ, I believe that his making man into a god and his characterization of the distinction between good and evil as a rationalization of the distinction between good and bad inspred the Marxists thinkers of the 20th Century, who declared to be good anything that serves the purposes of the destruction of religion, the state, and even marriage. We live in a Marxo-Nietzschean world. I've mentioned before meeting a Protestant US Navy Chaplain who identifies himself as a Neo-Marixst and used Der Antichrist as a text in a class on Ethic that he taught to US military officers. Imagine expecting that chap to talk a depressed young sailor out of suicide! As an aside, imagine what will be left of the Chaplains Corps after many who believe that they cannot support the government's new definition of love resign their commissions. Perhpas the only ones left will be those who sing along with Sportin' Life: "The things that you're libel to read in the Bible, well they ain't necessarily so." - Thomas C. coleman, Jr. Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:13:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6593 All well and good, but stock markets and high finance are another kind of "strange doctrine," no? I think the "dons" of the banking world have done as much direct material damage as the mafia. - Patrick Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:48:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6589 "My entire generation is roughly in this same situation." From: Belloc: "How the Reformation Happened", Ch. 6. "In an attempt to answer the "Why" as well as the "How" of the Reformation, we have arrived well into the second half of its century, the sixteenth. It is 1559--over forty years since the first movements began. "All those who were in Power when the flood first poured are dead: Charles the Emperor, Henry of England, Francis of France, Pope Leo. "The Generation which was active as young men in the original assault and defense is grown old and its effect has ceased. It has been replaced by a new body which cannot remember the old unquestioned Unity of Christendom." Although the particulars of the 16th century differ from the particulars of the "Silent Generation" (mine) and the Baby Boom generation and their children, the process is the same. It seems to be how history works. Jacob, your comment fits the process exactly. In speaking about young people's turning away from the virtue and values of their parents under the influence of the "dons of academics" and the "dons of media who have largely replaced the "dons of clerics (if I can be so bold), my son said to me, "I thought it was all self-evident." It isn't. - Louise Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:28:40 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6588 Father Schall: You packed a lot of wisdom into a small space with this piece. We should all pray that our leaders, political as well as religious, execute their responsibilities with wisdom,courage,and humility. Thank you for your continued work in this area Father. - Ray Hunkins Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:47:56 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/in-the-heart-of-the-dons.html#comment-6587 For me the problem is education. It took me twenty years to even try to attempt what you're talking about. Imagine if someone other than my parents (who were too busy with drugs, alcohol, making money and whatever else) would have taught me what it truly means to be a proper citizen. My entire generation is roughly in this same situation. We truly aren't the demons you make us out to be to explain away your sins, we've just never been taught. We've lived in a world full of elders who don't care about us or our morality (but are the first to complain when this lack of virtue leads to ugly habits). - Jacob R Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:39:39 +0100