Comments for Credo at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 22 May 2013 23:27:05 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6992 I saw that it was headed that way, Mr. Miner, so i tried to bring it back with the remarks by Belloc about the Mystery of creation and Faith exceeding the limits of Reason. I don't think that St. Francis and St. Anthony would have preached to the birds and the fish if they hadn't had faith that their preaching was understood or if they had not appreciated the Mystery in God's creation. I don't think that they were just being sentimental but that they were acting on their Credo. - Louise Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:58:47 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6991 On the subject of meat-eating: How did we get on the subject of meat-eating? I'm no vegetarian, as any number of birds and fishes could tell you. And cows and pigs too. - Brad Miner Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:36:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6990 Dear Mr. Coleman, I agree with you. I often tell those who will not eat meat that, If we didn't eat them, they would not exist at all because no one who is a serious livestock breeder can keep them just because they are cute. I'll admit to not eating lamb chops for a long time, but now I do. Fortunately, my sheep produce beautiful fleeces, but even fleece is not going to support the flock, and when one dies, the carcass goes into a composter that will produce beautiful tomatoes. I don'' know whether St. Anthony ate the fish he preached to or not, and I don't confuse animal intelligence with human intelligence. But there is a mystery in it that cannot be denied, and it is part of the whole gigantic mystery of God's creation. In the final chapter of "The Great Heresies," Belloc says that Faith defines the limits of Reason and says to Reason that there are some things in life that are beyond your abilities. I think that Mystery also falls into that category. Just a thought. - Louise Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:17:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6988 Alright you charming, innocent, sentimental animlal lovers! I'm not giving up prime rib, lamb, or salmon. Looking into a Blcak Angus's eyes can be just as moving as looking into a socker spaniel's, and neither creature is bound for glory. Let's not confuse our poor kids about the nature of the immortal human soil. This is just the kind of thing that makes young people show up at Thanksgiving as say they just want taters and veggies. Oh, it wouldn't hurt to point out that the supposed changes to the words of the Credo were simply improvements in the English translations. - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Mon, 06 Jun 2011 09:55:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6987 We have had a flock of a primitive-breed sheep for almost 16 years. They are a breed that, in their native islands can (and some still do) live on their own resources. They have not been bred to imbecility to produce meat as many breeds have. The shepherds who imported the first sheep of this breed said that they would not sell any of their very wary sheep to people whom the sheep didn't like. When we visited their flock, all but one ewe ran off, but she just stood there and looked at us--sizing us up, I guess. We bought her. Over the years, we have seen our own flock turn their backs on some people and approach others (the grain-in-the-hand factor notwithstanding). Even with us they are never cuddly or even friendly, but we have an agreement and they are not shy about making their wishes and needs known. I gave one ewe lamb a rather formal name when she was born. One day she looked at me and "told" me, "I'd rather be called Honey." Honey it was. A ewe who had come to visit with our ram had a silly, undignified name. One day she "said" to me, "My real name is Betty." When I relayed the message to the owner, she though that I was the crazy one. I have seen some really incredible behavior with these sheep--and I mean "incredible"in its literal meaning. One can only tell those stories to other shepherds of this breed. So who knows with animals. All I know is that heaven will be the poorer if they are not there. - Louise Mon, 06 Jun 2011 09:30:49 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6985 'Neither ear has heard nor eye has seen what God has prepared for those who love Him.' My Max and Sadie would bring smiles to St. Peter and the rest of the saints. - Joe Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:53:27 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6984 Joe: I understand that Aquinas believed our animals will not join us in heaven (if I'm not being too presumptuous), but Peter Kreeft has written that he sees no reason why we can't expect to see them. I have a particular cat in mind . . . -B - Brad Miner Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:46:28 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/credo.html#comment-6983 Nicely written, Brad. My dogs have always understand me and I them; more than I can say for communication with humans. If there is a heaven, I hope there's a place for our beloved animals. It seems Scripture is silent on this, but God did make other creatures first before man, which may be a sign that He cared for them. - Joe Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:29:56 +0100