Comments for The Immorality of Nice Fornication at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 14 out of 14 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Thu, 23 May 2013 08:15:18 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7794 Folks: thanks for the considerate comments. A few things: I don't recommend the Justice of the Peace. But it is better than shacking up; much to be preferred, and I think St. Thomas would agree with me on that one. I do agree that the language of beauty needs to be recovered. I'm in the midst of doing just that; it makes up half of my writing. In the other half I find myself talking about Beauty Destroyed or compromised. That too needs to be discussed. - Tony Esolen Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:05:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7786 i am glad to see this topic talked about however; The Justice of the Peace is a short drive away???? we should not advocate civil marriages as it is not Sacramental therefore they would still not be married - malina Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:58:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7784 "Fornicator" describes someone who commits fornication, like "murderer" describes someone who commits murder. Evaluative words such as fornicator or murderer are not name calling. The word fornication needs to be used to counter the lie and perception that this grave act is normal and okay now. - Elizabeth D Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:44:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7783 Very good article. This is an excellent summary of the issue of "Nice Fornicators" today. - Bethanie Ryan Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:08:38 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7781 Just a Mom, "the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church"! This fine set of articles amounts to quite a bit more than just name calling. Does reality bend to us? Or are we to bend to reality? Plain words are offensive to the narcissism we have cultivated in our children through self esteem building, but this is even less of a reason to cater to sensitive egos. This is a time for truth not psychobabble. - Achilles Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:10:40 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7780 Bangwell, you may be describing your generation, but nto that of people in their 20s and 30s today. The Church IS experiencing a renewal, a new springtime, and if we don't capitalize on it to build more Catholic culture, we're foolish. - JD Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:58:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7779 Robert, yes, a small misstatement, perhaps. You can substitute "until death" for "forever," and the argument will carry the same weight. - Patrick Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:50:30 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7775 But there is no "forever in marriage" because there is no "forever" on earth.. and didn't Jesus say there is no Marriage in Heaven? So ther is no such thing either as a "forever" marriage.. Flaw number one. - Robert Sledz Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:02:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7772 These words need to be read from the the pulpits and in CCD classrooms. While some "cafeteria Catholics" will not be moved, some people will listen and learn. We simply have to try, even if only a few might listen, for to do otherwise is a sin of ommission and probably a sin against Hope. Pastors have some tough choices, such as whether or not to allow the vocally pro-abortion, pro-contraception, pro-homosexual mariage congregatns to continue as CCD techers and Lem's. Wait a minute! Why is that tough call? Like the song says, hasn't it been a way down? - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:49:00 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7771 Name calling? Calling things as they are apparently is out of style. I guess you need to strain and strain until you find just the right word that will in no way offend any person for any possible reason. The problem is those who seek to be offended will not want to hear you no matter which words you use. - Anon Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:40:32 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7770 Well put. You talked me into it. - Yezhov Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:32:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7769 If the new evangelization amounts to nothing more than name calling - fornicator, liar, etc., then Christianity has no future. Either we make reasoned arguments that speak to the modern world, or we will be justly ignored. - Just a mom Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:25:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7766 This reasoned approach, particularly its accurate but harsh language, is not, in my opinion, going to be effective. This generation has been subjected to systematic destruction of the idea of marriage, which is treated as nothing more than one among many acceptable paths for young couples, no more desirable than temporary living arrangements. If we are to have any hope of re-inspiring this generation (which has been deprived of its cultural and spiritual inheritance), we will have to find words and images that help them to understand the beauty and the grace of love's imperatives (faithfulness, refusal to subject the beloved to exploitation) while destroying the false images they have been so very carefully taught. The language of love and beauty has been co-opted by those who value sexual attraction and its temporary pleasures over the beauty and nobility of commitment and marriage. Those of us who believe otherwise are left with "fornication" and "abstinence," words which will be resented or ignored by young people in love, a condition which does not encourage clarity of thought. - Bangwell Putt Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:46:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-immorality-of-nice-fornication.html#comment-7765 Years ago, before The Rupture, aka the Second Vatican Council, Nice Fornicators would be told by friends, family, clergy that they were "living in sin". If they were Catholic, they would be told they were living in mortal sin, and ONE mortal sin, unrepented, would consign their soul(s) to Hell for eternity. We were warned that Impure Thoughts(!), if not driven away but enjoyed, could themselves be mortal sins. I am fortunate that I still live in the pre-Rupture Church and as a result articles such as this are merely verbose flourishes about a banal and ultimately damned way of life. - Manfred Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:47:52 +0100