Comments for The Anti-Church of Antonio Gramsci at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 14 out of 14 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sun, 19 May 2013 19:38:44 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7905 It is the collapse of the episcopate during and after the Council that made the following errors so monumental. There have been scoundrels among the clergy and the laity for 2,000 years. But evil bishops allowed scoundrels to take command. - Dennis Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:05:18 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7887 I'd add only that the Gramsci tactic of democratization was manifested in the modernization of the Mass, eradicating the Latin in favor of a vernacular version. The Catholic Church herself fell prey to socialist errors when her Churchmen internalized the modernist errors. As a man prays, so he believes and lives; bring back the Tridentine Mass that produced 2,000 years of saints, Doctors, martyrs, and heroes for the Faith. - Sean Fri, 26 Aug 2011 03:08:38 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7880 Achilles is right...the problem of problematic priests is merely a symptom...the entire Body of Christ is polluted...the sewage ebbs and flows for 2,000 years...thanks to those baptized who have been/are executing the Gramsci model...it now flows strongly in or around every Catholic home, school, parish, and bishop's chair. The only way for the Church is to wage spiritual war on evil...when the Church (i.e., us) gets comfortable and plays defense, we are disobeying (i.e., we are not loving) Jesus. - Chris in Maryland Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:59:05 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7875 What mass myopia prevents many from seeing is that the disgraced priests, in many cases, have been infected with Gramsci's ideology from outside the Chruch before they entered. We can play chicken and egg mental games for as long as we like, but to untie the Gordian knot we must see things for what they are and call things what they are. - Achilles Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:23:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7871 David Cameron for President! - Ray Hunkins Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:24:46 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7867 Disgraced priests have done much more to harm the Church than a dozen Gramscis. Or as some like Bishop Sheen have stated long before the scandal broke, the communists had a plan all along to infiltrate the priesthood with the objective of bringing disgrace to it. Unless you think that some of the notable communists that he helped convert were simply red herrings? - Cavaliere Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:42:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7865 Well, yes, it is generally true that a false step by those within an institution do the damage of a hundred detractors from without, but that does not mean a particular outsider doesn't buck the trend. Because of its insightfulness and effectiveness, Gramsci's method did great damage. He understood what made culture, and unfortunately used that knowledge to much harm. - c matt Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:06:20 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7863 Kenneth, not negligible in and of itself but when compared to the damage wrought by self-inflicted wounds. Disgraced priests have done much more to harm the Church than a dozen Gramscis. - Grump Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:10:00 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7860 Thank you Dr. Marlin! I have forwarded this to all I know. The Gramschi's efforts have not been neglible; no chruch scandal could promote the idea that The Church is the enemy of freedom and fulfillment because it preaches monogamy. Long before any of these scandals came to light Catholic universities had been taken over the way healthy cells are taken over by viruses that make them replicate the infiltrators. Thank you so much, Dr. Marlin, for telling the truth and providing me the proof that I'm not the only one who can see what has been going on. - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:42:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7859 Grump, care to put any substance to your claim that the ideas, of which Gramsci held, is negligible? And in how these ideas had no relation to the actions of a certain few in the Church who left a bad name in their wake? Show us your thought processes in formulating your opinion. - Kenneth Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:09:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7855 Gramsci's negligible impact pales in comparison to Catholicm's self-inflicted wounds, which have done more to empty European churches than anything else. - Grump Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:31:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7853 France has already fallen. The total number of mosques has doubled to over 2,000 within the last 10 years, with plans to double that number according to France's most prominent Islam leader in a recent interview. 20 new Catholic churches have been built in the last decade while 60 have closed, many of them destined to become mosques. I have seen videos of Parisian streets closed off in the middle of the day for Muslims to pray, to the consternation of everyone else. Muslims are becoming bolder by the day over there. It will not end well for the French. - Dave T Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:33:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7851 Mr. Marlin, thank you for a terribly important article. I think few people are really aware of the perniciousness of Gramsci's thought and the success of the Long March through the institutions. What Communists attempted to do by force immediately , Gramsci proposed doing by stealth, little step by little step until the bulk of the population first begins to accommodate on "small" matters then finally reaches the point at which en masse it rejects its traditional, Christian culture -- however deep or attenuated that culture may be. There is no overnight fix to this danger, barring a new Pentecost (for which we ought to pray most assiduously), as there is never a quick fix to problems long in the making. So the importance of World Youth Day really comes into focus, for the antidote has to entail an intense apostolate with the young that really proposes the beauty, peace, and joy of the Faith when it is embraced and lived in its fulness and shared with others. Our Catholic young need integral presentations on the beauty of Christian marriage -- including the beauty of living the sacrifices that Christian marriage entails -- and indeed of the entirety of Christian life, including the beauties of celibate life, whether as priest, religious, or lay faithful. Right now much depends upon the lay faithful, married and celibate. There are simply vastly more numbers of us than there are of priests and religious -- as indeed there has always been; and the Second Vatican Council made it clear in any case that the role of the clergy is to activate the laity through Word and Sacrament so that the lay faithful can assume our duties and sanctify secular realities according to the mind of Christ. Those realities include both the private sphere and the public sphere. All this can happen; prayer moves the heart of God, who told St. Teresa of Avila when she asked him why he appeared to be so parsimonious in distributing his gifts, "I am willing, Teresa; people aren't." Prayer, however, is just the beginning: we Catholics must become men and women of deep learning and deeper virtue so that each one in one's own environment can be sowers of peace and truth able to confound the lies that beset Western culture and take the hits that inevitably come when we stand for truth in the public square -- the servant is not greater than the Master. So my suggestion is for much prayer and sacrifice for the renewal of interior life. Once Catholics, whatever their state, are really corresponding to the graces offered in prayer, the interior life overflows and one begins to see the specific mission and tasks our Lord asks each of us. Not for us any form of quietism, nor a withdrawal from the hurly-burly of life. Now is a time for great optimism, as the fields are white for the harvest and we know that if we pray for laborers for the harvest, our Lord will grant the request. This is not the optimism of wishful thinking, but one borne on deep meditation on the Cross and Resurrection of our Lord, and of real learning in Church history, too, which is replete with examples of triumph in the face of apparent hopelessness. The gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. All our Lord asks of us is faithfulness -- but the kind of faithfulness that bravely acknowledges those many ways in which we are not faithful and works to overcome those ways by paying any cost that must be borne, mindful that our Lord himself supplies through Word and Sacrament the grace and strength we need to maintain our faith, hope, and charity and to allow Him to extend those virtues through us to others. It's the best possible time in the history of the world to be a Christian. - Dave Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:17:20 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci.html#comment-7849 An excellent piece on Gramsci's forgotten influence, but it bears reminding that Gramsci reconciled with the Church on his deathbed. See "Founder of Italian Communist Party Converted Before Death" at the Catholic News Agency. - Eric Giunta Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:21:50 +0100