Comments for Binary Cissexists Unite! at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 21 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sat, 25 May 2013 01:36:52 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9187 First of all, I refuse to call her 'Chaz.' Second, she's not wrong; there is, in my opinion, some compelling science behind her comment. That presents a great challenge to both our compassion and our integrity, but human beings are prone to a myriad of bizarre disorders. From my point of view, there are two problems. First problem: we can't assume that everybody having surgery, or everybody walking about on the street wishing they could have surgery but not able for whatever reason, has the same underlying issue. They need a brain scan. I have a hard time believing even the doctors' standards are as stringent as they ought to be. Second problem: the treatment is barbaric and primitive. I truly hope this will go the way of the lobotomy (I heard it rumored that they stopped doing these at Johns Hopkins?), but that won't happen soon enough. It was not that long ago in our country that the mental illnesses we have now largely come to accept were poorly understood and patients horribly mistreated. As for Beatty, we've been transported to a whole different plane of lunacy and I don't know what the explanation is. - enness Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:44:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9099 The best and quickest way to win the culture war is to tell the truth and do so with love. We are the people of love and hope and as such cannot lose. Let's leave the judging to God; until He renders judgment, I for one will not consider anyone made in His image to be filth. - Joe Hammond Mon, 05 Dec 2011 10:50:28 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9089 I guess I misread you Mr. Dalton, I apologize, and I see your point. - Aeneas Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:37:53 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9081 Aenas, I'm not trolling. I think we should help those who really want help. However, many of these twisted, perverted its don't want help, they want to flaunt their perverisons in your face. If they refuse to repent, they will discover that decent people who are concerned about their families and their commnities will drive them back into the closets were such filth belongs. - Stephen E Dalton Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:43:05 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9077 Dear Michelle, I sense your earnestness. People do all manor of painful and un-necessary stuff to themselves, think of plastic surgery and drug addiction. The love you describe is not the love of the Catholic Church we call charity. You describe a sort of tolerant permissiveness. We Catholics are afforded no such luxury. We are to tell the Truth with love. Although at a glance it sounds unfortunate what Mr. Ruse said: “In the transgender world, however, Bono is an out and out troglodyte. Poor girl, he thought he was on the far frontiers. But no, and Kathryn Beatty (né Stephen Ira) steps in to bitch-slap the 300-pounder.” And I admit at a glance my sensibilities were on high alert too, but if you ponder it, there really is such an absurdity in the transgendered mind set that even this brash humor fails to get at its depths. However, I suspect this humor gets at it better than straight talk. What should come across as crystal clear to the astute reader with a lucid mind is that self mutilation stemming from the desire to create oneself is a grave matter that affects an entire community. We do no one any favors by making excuses about “being born that way” or saying “he/she can’t help it” this is just putting off our moral duty to justice out of charity and prudence. For an excellent resource on understanding the 7 virtues, read Joseph Pieper’s two books The Cardinal Virtues and Faith, Hope and Love. This will help you put everything in order. My God be with you, Achilles - Achilles Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:01:59 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9076 What is with some of the comments here? First of all, Austin Ruse has to point this stuff out, this is the next madness that will be thrown at our society and called 'normal'. Second, to those dissenters who try to make Austin a bully, hold up. Its not bullying to point of freakish behaviour, or to call things like they are. This is disturbing stuff, and Mr. Ruse has hardly descended into bullying. Third, to Michelle Tessier: stop while your ahead. Love does not mean embracing an evil. There is nothing Christian in pretending this kind of stuff is normal. That does not mean driving 'abominations' back into the closet as Dalton suggested (is he a troll?), but pointing out the abominable behaviour, stopping it, and getting those people help. And lastly, in response to Graham Combs comments, specifically his comments about Warren Beatty, all I can say is this: lol! - Aeneas Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:55:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9074 Michelle, (Christian) love does not simply mean being nice. Sometimes the more authentic form of love is to point out to others the error of their ways so that they can reconcile themselves to God. It's possible that the author of this article could have approached the subject in a somewhat less sarcastic and more emphathetic way. But if you read between the lines I think he was motived by a sincere concern for the psychological and spiritual well-being of these unfortunate souls. - Patrick Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:05:48 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9073 Michelle, You are a little more than a cissupremecist if you think transgenderism is not a choice. The point of Asher and Stephen Ira's thinking, and others like them, is that it is SELF definition. The transgendered disagree with the choice made for them by the delivery room doctor. But they still believe it is their choice. In fact, they say even cis people have chosen their gender. Everyone chooses! You have fallen into the trap that Chaz fell into! See how confusing this is? - Austin Ruse Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:02:49 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9071 First, Mr. Ruse is doing Catholics a favor by bringing into the disinfecting light the melancholy moral incoherence of progressivism. Second, more evidence that our so-called "good schools" are neither. Poor Kathryn... Finally, poor Warren Beatty. What did he do to deserve this? Oh yeah, that... his career and lifestyle and politics. - Graham Combs Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:36:52 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9070 When did love and understanding stop becoming a part of Christianity? I personally believe that being transgender is not a decision, but rather a circumstance you are born into. Otherwise why would people kill themselves or undergo extremely dangerous and painful surgery over the issue? But regardless of this, it seems like the Christian thing to do would be to love other people even if you disagree with one particular characteristic about them. And the last time I checked, love does not include posting articles that are meant to make fun in a cruel way. I would think higher of a website affiliated with a religion that preaches love. - Michelle Tessier Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:26:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9069 All this talk by Beatty's daughter and Cher's daughter is foolishness, as defined by Romans 1:22-23, and it lead to the defilement of their bodies, even to the point of sexual mutilation. I hope this garbage gets more coverage in the media, because it will force people to realize how depraved the queer lifestyle is, and it will cause a backlash that will drive these abominations back into the closet where they belong! - Stephen E Dalton Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:02:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9068 "Mr. Ruse, can we please leave this trash in the tabloid bins? The Catholic Thing is better than this freakshow narcissism." There is a clear effort to try to mainstream this type of thinking, and that has to be opposed. Ignoring it will not make it go away. - Brian English Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:49 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9067 Naming something new is the first step in the chain to force acceptance. - teomatteo Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:44:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9065 Good point Trish! I can put a bunny ear hat on my chocolate labrador and guess what? He's still a chocolate labrador even if I scream at people to call him a bunny! - Jacob R Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:30:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9064 Austin, not to be nit-picky, but this is a piece about language and definition and I think you've made a vocabularly mistake. Was Warren Beatty's daughter born Kathryn? The French-based word "né" means "born." So if she was born as a girl, you have to write "Stephen Ira (né Kathryn Beatty) . . ." This kind of vocabulary slip-up makes it hard to follow your story. Not being big on celebrity gossip, I don't actually know which way she was born, fyi - Wendy Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:21:08 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9063 Let's give Mr. Ruse a break. This is where the bad idea, that we are self-determiners of sexual being and sexual morality, inevitably leads. And we see, in a mad world, that the Church is the last institution left standing that upholds simple common sense. Nobody, for example, will dare to ask whether the horrible life that Chastity Bono had to endure, from her horrible mother, caused her such massive confusion and heartache... - Tony Esolen Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:20:14 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9062 Mr. Ruse, you write, "We can sympathize with those..." But you choose not to sympathize. Instead, you use phrases like: "...bitch-slap the 300 pounder?" "daffy daughter" "What would you give 'it' for Christmas?" Your points are valid, but your dripping sarcasm is not part of Catholic tradition. Mocking "freaks" is the business of schoolyard bullies, not the Church. However troubled, these are both beloved creatures of God. So when one speaks up for the Church's teachings on sexuality and morality, don't forget to say a prayer for them and the crosses they bear. God wants them to come home, not to be discarded in the trash. That's the Catholic way. - DS Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:07:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9061 I really, really, really wish we'd all refuse to use the pronouns "he", "his", etc. for Chaz. Chaz will never be a he despite the number hormone treatments she's received, and referring to her with masculine pronouns is like giving in a little. Just say no to the nonsense. - Trish Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:25:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9060 Science has, sadly, not yet advanced to a point where it will enable me to reclaim the space in my brain that is now taken up with this information. I empathize with Mr. Ruse's confusion and frustration in the face of such vapid silliness, but was it really necessary to share it with the rest of us? - Titus Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:14:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/binary-cissexists-unite.html#comment-9059 Wow Austen, absolutely fascinating! I bet the devils love Asher, he/she/it/they/legion(?) takes rebellion against God to another level. Pride has gone transgender, powerful inbreding, what hideous progeny. - Achilles Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:04:48 +0100