Comments for A Rediscovered Dialogue at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Thu, 23 May 2013 09:29:33 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10442 Arnobius, you are assuming that this fictional dialogue is an analysis. There may be a reason why Phaedrus is reporting rumors and Socrates is not entirely convinced that he has things right. And it may also matter that the impression the events have made, whatever the truth of the case, seems disturbing. - Robert Royal Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:22:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10436 To answer Socrates with Aristotle, " To say that what is is not, or that what is not is, is false; but to say that what is is, and what is not is not, is true; and therefore also he who says that a thing is or is not will say either what is true or what is false. —Aristotle, Metaphysics, 1011b 25" I am inclined to think Mr. Peters has more accurately assessed the situation (said that what is, is) then the article does. This doesn't mean I think Fr. Guarnizo is a bad priest. Far from it. I think he acted in good faith in a very difficult situation. Obviously we need to pray both for Fr. Guarnizo and his bishop, but avoid making "good guys and villains" out of the two. - Arnobius of Sicca Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:39:31 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10426 You may have heard/read that a priest/chaplain? of the Kansas Legislature was invited beforehand to offer an opening prayer. In the prayer he asked that marriage be recognized as between a man and a woman, abortion was a great evil, etc. This brought down the wrath of the legislators on him for crossing politically correct lines, yadda, yadda. The initials of his order are F.S.S.P. A new day is dawning with an A-Team of young priests. - Manfred Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:08:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10425 How much longer, Socrates, will the high priests of the capital abuse the gods? The high priests demand that we follow their teachings unless and until it causes a public outcry. For them the lesser ministers of the gods are held in no repute and are sacrificed when they follow the rule of the gods. How, O Socrates, shall we know what is right and just and how we should act when the people’s demands are more pleasing to the high priests than the acts of the ministers of the gods? I am confused. - senex Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:21:41 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10420 Dr. Royal, very entertaining! Dr. Peter’s may be technically correct according to the letter of the law. However, Fr. Guarnizo is a soldier for Christ and he claimed his judgment was not about 915 and perhaps it is not impossible for him to have determined that Ms. Johnson’s sin was manifest, grave, obstinate etc… If he erred, there is still compassionate charity behind those actions in a message to Ms. Johnson to repent. Dear Manfred, I am not too comfortable with the idea of our Holy Father kissing the Quran but I must stop short of judging his heart and condemning him when it is more likely that he was imitating St. Paul in “being all things to all men” or St. Francis in his interactions with the Muslims. Jesus commands His disciples to “judge correctly”. Talk about the tail wagging the dog or the one trick pony, your “novus ordo” complex is a hammer and everything you see is a nail. You presume to know that Bishop Fellay “wants nothing to do with the Church”???? How would you know this? The same way you believe you have license to insult John Paul the Great? If you are right about the Bishop, what does that say about his character for entertaining these talks if he wants nothing to do with the Church? Manfred, I would kiss you even knowing that you are an ideologue with a deeply flawed ideology and a world view that doesn’t square with reality because I know of your incalculable dignity and worth as a human soul. Please pray for me, Achilles - Achilles Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:23:58 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10411 Well done, Bob. On the other hand, they love Ms. Johnson at the New Ways Ministry ! - Savonarola Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:07:27 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10410 Well, we might maintain that the Church's positive law on admission to the sacraments and apostasy is not written as well as it might be. And we might easily agree that the judgment of the priest in question was entirely understandable and that his cashiering was uncalled for. But if Dr. Peters is correct about what the law means---and his position cannot reasonably be described as it is described here---then the observation that the priest acted incorrectly is correct. It's elementary that two wrongs do not make a right; a priest who does what the Church's law compels cannot be responsible for the sacrilege that someone else uses the circumstances to commit. How many people who identify themselves as Catholics approach the Blessed Sacrament unworthily each day? Each time we do so we solicit the assistance of our priest in our sacrilege: yet no one howls at that situation. The law, even the law that this vile woman manipulated for her own purposes, exists for the protection and salvation of all of us. Antinomianism is no cure for thuggery. - Titus Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:34:57 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-rediscovered-dialogue.html#comment-10408 I am not sure this respopnse from the archdiocese is all that shocking. After all, the head of this institution, JP II, actually publicly kissed a Quran. He has since been made Blessed and, I am told, he has already been named to the Church's calendar in the U.S. even though he has not been made a saint. It took FORTY YEARS to finally come up with Edition Three of its own Mass! This is intolerable. The Novus Ordo church (sic) demonstrates every day that it is irrelevant at best and a great source of danger to Catholics seeking their salvation. It is confused and politicized and cannot respond to the simplest challenge. This is precisely why Bp. Fellay and the SSPX (and many others!) want no part of it. - Manfred Mon, 19 Mar 2012 02:16:59 +0100