Comments for A Modest Proposal for the Cardinal’s Conundrum at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 35 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sun, 19 May 2013 18:45:18 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13149 Are th>>>>>>>>>>>> e "arm chair critics done? - Jack,CT Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:58:20 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13021 Nixon/China is an example that's so bad it's good. Nixon was Rockefeller bought and paid for. His HUAC phase may have build his conservative resume, but he became controlled opposition for Rockefeller at least before his election in 1968, upon which he immediately appointed Rockefeller goon Henry Kissinger. Nixon kissed up to Soviet Union and to China, and look where that has brought us to today. Nixon opened the floodgates to abortion, ditto. I won't mention the many other bad policies he made, but he was no conservative and his ousting via Watergate was simply Rockefeller pulling the hook on one kabuki act in order to place another stooge on stage. Yes, only Nixon could have gone to China. - 2+2 does not equal 5 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:02:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13016 Barack Obama is waging open war against The Body of Christ. He wages war against the lives of unborn children. He wages war against the free expression of Catholicism in The United States. He steals income from families with learning disabled children and uses it to buy contraceptives for those who serve him. He has declared to the world that he will confine Catholics to their parish churches, and he threatens all who dare oppose him with the loss of their income, their licenses, their businesses and their liberty. Supping with one's opponent is a mark of civility. Supping with the enemy is a mark of servility. - Chris in Maryland Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:09 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13014 "Only Nixon could go to China" is an old statement which had some real truth to it. The late president's anti-communist credentials were so strong that nobody could accuse him of being "soft on communism." I believe the same sentiments are true here. Cardinal Dolan is well established in his opposition to the Obama administration's policies and could not be reasonably accused of softness. I also believe that it would be hard to imagine any Catholic voting for Obama doing so with invincible ignorance. Willful self deception and vincible ignorance seem more likely. I don't have a problem with the modest proposal made here, but we should avoid causing our own scandal by bashing the cardinal and allowing our enemies to believe there is a rift among the faithful. - Arnobius of Sicca Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:53:14 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13012 Dolan asked us to fast for a fortnight in response to the HHS mandate. We did. A few months latter he intends to hobnob with the very author of the mandate. We are to respect that? Study the backgrounds of the men who constitute the Board of the Al Smith Foundation, the dinner's sponsor. These grandees have made fortunes at the intersection of the Church and politics, largely Democratic politics. It will be Dolan's misfortune to be seen sharing the glass with Obama, but it will be a boon to the egos and careers of these men. If they had the interest of the Church foremost they would advise Dolan to cancel the dinner. I wouldn't place a bet on that happening - ROB Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:36:07 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13008 Nellie Gray died this week and it sets many of us again to asking whether inviting pro-abortion candidates is acceptable. If a candidate condoned the trafficking in humans for slave labor and worse because as in the Sudan "it is an internal affair" or one's understanding of free markets would that be acceptable? I saw many Darfur t-shirts here in South East Michigan but none when the news covered the enslavement of women and children during Islamic North Sudan's invasion of the South. I wish the Church were more focussed and more appreciative that sometimes "polarization" cannot be avoided. Moral clarity in political debates often is only recognized in the past. No one would question whether the deaths of over 600,000 Americans native-born and immigrants in the Civil War was necessary to end slavery. Too many Catholics I meet are of the "it's all good" inclination. It isn't all good and hasn't been all good for decades. And the Bishops' Conference needs to say that again and again. - Graham Combs Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:20:27 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-13001 Dear. Maggie I humbly disagree. I do not feel what the Cardinal is doing is a "Betrayel", yet building bridges.I hope we can all come to this common agreement, we Love our Cardinal and no matter the degree of disagreement we have we are all "in this together". I do see your side of the arguement and I wish this whole thing did not happen. So we can agree "no matter what", we are all in this together!, Thanks for your response God Love you and Bless you Jack - Jack,CT Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:07:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12995 You are right, Maggie Louise. The truly Catholic thing is not to so respect the office of bishop that one is uncritical of the prudential judgments of the person holding the office. And, Mr. Wood, please note that it was a prudential judgment of Pope John Paul II on invading Iraq with which George Bush disagreed, as did many orthodox Catholics. Unlike Barack Obama, George W. Bush agreed with the pope on the intrinsically evil nature of abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage. - Jon S. Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:03:50 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12990 Dolan: Richelieu without the manners. - Bill Russell Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:07:01 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12987 Yes, please reschedule it. - rosemary Sun, 19 Aug 2012 08:08:35 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12986 It is not so much that we are eating our own, Jack, as that a large number of us feel as if we have been thrown to the wolves for their consumption, just when we thought that a degree of unity and mutual support had been achieved, as many have said. None of us are happy to find ourselves on the other side of the fence from our shepherds while the wolves snarl at us and bare their teeth.. "Betrayal" is not too strong a word to describe how we feel--doubly so because of its source. - Maggie Louise Sun, 19 Aug 2012 07:01:08 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12981 Some of these comments are very disrespectful directed directly at the Cardinal.We wander why people treat us Catholics like crap (pardon),when we are eating our own! SAD - Jack,CT Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:14:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12980 Until now, most of the criticism of Card Dolan for his invitation of Obama to the Al Smith dinner has focused on Obama and what advantages his presence might gain him politically. But I think the Cardinal has a larger and more serious problem on his hands which is the Body of Christ. It should come as no surprise to no one that Obama and the Progressives in the Democrat party (with complicity from many within the Catholic Church itself) has made a decided effort to divide Catholics against one another. This then neutralizes the effect of Catholics when it comes to being a power voting bloc. Unfortunately, Dolan has played into Obama's hands. He has managed to divide Catholics one against another. For proof, just look at the voluminous opinions for and against this dinner invitation. The bishops of the USA, with Cardinal Dolan as their Conference president, managed for the first time in a long time this year to unify Catholics and follow their lead on the issue of religious freedom which was being imperiled by the Obama administration. This resulted in the wide support for the Fortnight for Freedom. Now, however, with this dinner invitation, Cardinal Dolan will have managed to cause a divide among Catholics at a crucial time in the fight for our religious liberty. The consequences are potentially serious. And will it all have been worth the price of a dinner invitation and a bit of civil discourse? No. "That they may be one, Father, as you and I are one. That they may be one in us." It is a serious matter when this unity is jeopardized. - Deacon Ed Peitler Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:23:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12976 BEWARE...Cardinal Dolan is playing Checkers while Obama is playing Chess! - Seanachie Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:32:43 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12975 Further, Romney is very much a part of the problem and I would wager he is much relieved for the Al Smith distraction this week otherwise folks might pay more attention to the Dump Romney as the Nominee movement. Rather than waiting till November (and still signaling that any of these after-birth-aborters or abortion-waste-collector candidates are acceptable to Catholics), Cardinal Dolan should either cancel the dinner or invite only 100 percent prolife candidates, and let the chips fall where they may. That would be really leading the flock. - 2+2 does not equal 5 Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:00:44 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12974 Excellent proposal, Mr Wood. It allows a nod to the current unprecendented oppressive attempt by the federal government against religious freedom since the Constitution was ratified. But it also confirms the dignity and worth of every person, friend or foe, and the formidible grace experienced through the Church's evangelization. - DDPGH Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:35:02 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12973 Sorry, this article does not convince me that Cdl. Dolan really knows what he's doing (at least in the good sense). He has already admitted the failure of Catholic catechesis over the decades and his part in it, and we're willing to credit him with some shrewd positioning with this blantant "sieg heil" event? No way! We have been too tame with our acceptance of USCCB's fifth columnry for too long, culminating with our failure to call out the shilling for Obamacare as a ruthless selling out of American Catholics to the gulag. I remember reading about Cardinal Richelieu in high school and wondering how the heck he was able to machinate politically the way he did - now it's obvious - he used his red cape as a mantle of protection from the objections of his own sheep. We have no way of knowing the state of any given scandalous cleric, but Dante has spared no elegance in describing their special domicile in the Inferno. - 2+2 does not equal 5 Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:31:12 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12972 Just Wandering?, if you walk in the room and conversate with the President does that equal a vote? "Just Wandering?" - Jack,CT Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:23:18 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12971 I hope the Holy Spirit is behind the Cardinal's decision because I can not see there is any good reason to invite and include Obama using human reason. - Ben Horvath Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:08:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/a-modest-proposal-for-the-cardinals-conundrum.html#comment-12970 The problem is that the Democratic Party, which until recent elections, was the party of liberals and "progressives," has now become unequivocally the party of abortion. Being pro-abortion is now a litmus test for acceptance and mobility within the Democratic Party. The DFLA (Democrats for Life in America) is now vainly trying to get the party to accept a "big tent" proposal which would honor and respect pro-life members and pro-life initiatives. At this point in political evolution, to be a pro-life Democrat is an oxymoron. - Howard Kainz Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:04:59 +0100