Comments for Popery and Populism at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Sat, 25 May 2013 06:02:08 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13344 Mormons have their headquarters in Utah, not in Rome nor in Mecca. Assuming Mormons to be a political force in themselves as Catholics once were to a greater degree, and Muslims still are it is relevant that they are centered in the same country which a Mormon leader would represent. In defending the interests of Mormonism a Mormon President would also be defending the interests of the US and vice-versa and would have little temptation to choose the interests of a foreign power over those of their homeland as indeed do Muslims today and Catholics in the past. Their religious and their political homeland are the same. - jason taylor Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:55:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13343 A couple of months ago I had to take my dog to the groomer. Rob has groomed Jack for 5 years now, and, although he is a flamboyant gay man and myself a "flamboyant Catholic", we get along in many ways. He knows I pray for his dignity as a man to be healed, and we understand although we don't often agree with each other.....he is verbose about his political views (BIG Hilary fan) and always engages me in "What do you think, I mean, as a 'devout Catholic' " kinds of topics (abortion, war, poverty, et al). Months ago (when Santorum and 100 others were still in the running -if they ever really were) he asked me who I would be voting for.... my response, "Not a Mormon. I just can't." Well, a few months have past, the scene is changed, I have NO CHOICE that agrees with my full conscience, so I will pull the lever for the best I can. I can tell you Rob will be voting along side me. His remark - "Debby, I mean, WHAT is happening in our country? Did you ever think you would see the day when an outspoken gay man and a devout Catholic would vote for a Mormon?" The days are strange indeed. But then again, Mitt may be a Good Samaritan. All I know is the other guy in the race is NOT. (well, ok, a good Philistine? I know Samaritans were almost Jews and Mormons are NOT Christians....) - debby Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:19:45 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13341 Jack, Mormonism is utterly foreign to Christian orthodoxy, be it Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, or Oriental. Its beliefs are strange and repugnant even to our Abrahamic brothers, the Jews and Muslims. Catholicism has more in common with Judaism and Islam than it does with Mormonism. - PJ Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:50:04 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13340 Despite the general decline of religion in America, it remains highly doubtful whether an atheist or agnostic could be elected President any time soon. According to a recent Pew poll, two-thirds of adults (67%) say it is important for the president to have strong religious beliefs. This number is down since 2008 (72%); an encouraging trend, it says here. Only about half identify Obama as Christian. Given that Americans have had no problem voting morons into the White House, they also seem willing to elect Mormons, too, according to the Pew study. - Grump Mon, 10 Sep 2012 03:38:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13338 Interesting to compare the reservations of the writer in the Catholic World – “That which strikes at the order and peace of the natural relations binding us together in society cannot be tolerated on the pretext of liberty of conscience or opinion,” with the rather hesitant language of the Declaration of the Rights of Man, some ninety years earlier – “No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, even his religious ones [mêmes religieuses] provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law.” The European Convention on Human Rights follows in the same tradition – “Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.” Dignitatis Humanae, too, would appear to have these previous models in mind, in declaring that religious freedom “is not to be impeded, provided that just public order be observed.” It elaborates this, as follows, “These norms arise out of the need for the effective safeguard of the rights of all citizens and for the peaceful settlement of conflicts of rights, also out of the need for an adequate care of genuine public peace, which comes about when men live together in good order and in true justice, and finally out of the need for a proper guardianship of public morality.” It would appear that the legislator’s margin of appreciation is considerable. - Michael Paterson-Seymour Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:00:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13336 I always felt Romney was a Christian!Never could understand feeling differently about a Church named "The Church of Jesus Christ".You see we as Catholics have been victums to the "cult" label.I guess what i am saying is a little research into ones "Faith" would aleviate there fears. - Jack,CT Sun, 09 Sep 2012 22:31:07 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/popery-and-populism.html#comment-13335 "That which strikes at the order and peace of the natural relations binding us together in society cannot be tolerated on the pretext of liberty of conscience or opinion. Therefore, Mormonism has no rights under our [American] laws, and ought not to be tolerated, and Mohammedanism could not be tolerated. Liberty for me, but not for thee. " So the argument, that was given, is not worthy of refutation? IS there no difference between Catholicism and Mohammedanism? IS there nothing in the fact that Western world has been at war with Mohammedan world for more than a thousand years?. Is it entirely immaterial that Mormons disagreed with the fundamental tenets of the Western World and practiced un-Christian polygamy? Are you today willing to tolerate witchcraft, voodoo, and animal sacrifices in some American temple? - Gian Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:30:40 +0100