Comments for God Among the Delegates at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 17 out of 17 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:57:44 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13382 Dear "DS", Great remarks totally agree! Jack - Jack,CT Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:12:50 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13373 Sue - I emphatically agree - Cdl Dolan is very high on the USCCB - and that organization is used to undermine the moral witness of individual Bishops. I appreciate Bishop Bruskewitz, one of the bishops who has criticized USCCB. - Chris in Maryland Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:13:22 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13368 Cardinal Dolan has built up an inordinate focus on his role as USCCB head, considering both the history and the lack of canonical authority USCCB has. All of this USCCB publicity has had the unfortunate effect of undermining each individual bishop's authority and motivation to tend to the gardens in their own diocese. - Sue Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:44:45 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13361 Mr Coleman, attacking a 90 year old Nun?, Really....you proud of yourself, your in my prayers sir. Jack - Jack,CT Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:33:24 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13359 Some people complain "Just cause they can..lol" - Jack,CT Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:12:57 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13357 Cardinal Dolan has made a tough choice: eat with the sinners/Pharisees, yet confront them about their sin, or simply pronounce woe on them and be done with it. Which is the right choice? Jesus certainly used both tactics in his ministry, so it is possible to comment recommending either of the two. I can only reflect on the circumstances of the Cardinal's choice. What was he aiming to achieve by praying at both conventions? It can't have been to "cover all the bases", so what was he doing in those prayers? I think he was trying to use the prayer time at each convention to slip in a small homily about Roman Catholic teaching. if he had not spoken, would that have been better? Certainly there are some venues that it would not be appropriate for the Cardinal to appear at, no matter what the opportunity to preach might be. To me this year's Democratic convention was so entirely morally offensive that I could not in good conscience have gone. But then I probably wouldn't have eaten with all the people that Jesus did either. Either Cardinal Dolan is doing something very holy or very foolish. It's not clear to me which it is right now. I do know that I wouldn't do what he's doing. But I can't judge his ministry as a bishop of Christ's Church simply by my own predilections. That would be a sin. - G.K. Thursday Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:20:17 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13356 What would Cardinal O'Connor have done? - Dave Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:43:09 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13355 Dear Seanachie: My sentiments and convcitons are identical to yours. But the answer to your question is quite clear to me. Let us just look at the Catholics. Many self-identified Catholics, particularly and scandalously graduates of Catholic colleges, believe that Mr. O's "social programs" will feed the hungry and thereby reduce abortions. Some of them actually believe that the true Catholic postion is to suppport homoseuxal marriage. Many believe that opening the borders to all want who to enter the US compsensates for the damage done by his very real War on the Catholic Chruch. When Mr. O's clear and deep cannection with Marxism is pointed out they say that ever since Vatican II the Catholic Church no longer opposes communism. I've heard that from priests, not stoned-on-pot teens! Sorry, folks, but I think that those of us whose friends are mostly orthodox in thier beliefs might not know what is going on in Guitar Mass Land where they say that EWTN means Elderly Women Talking Nonsense. - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:04:32 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13354 Excellent observations/article, Hadley. What I found most disconcerting about the God and Jerusalem exclusion issues from the Demo platform was that Obama, according to reports, knew about the exclusions well in advance. How shameful for a U.S. president and his party! But, it does explain much of the policy and many of the programs (pogroms) emanating from the Obama administration. How can any American who enjoys his/her God-given and Constitutionally acknowledged rights even consider re-electing this bunch? - Seanachie Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:01:25 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13353 When the president appeared at Notre Dame, he required that the crucifix be covered. He, of course, had the option of not appearing at a Catholic university, but he did. He wanted the political goodies. He made sure we all knew that his sensibilities trumped those of the venerable university. He wanted the principle symbol of the religion covered, and here is the breathtaking part - it was! The message is inescapable. His sensibility reigns supreme. That was the real point of the entire exercise. It was a shameful accommodation. Recently, it has been reported, he responded to the question, "How do you define sin?" by saying (and this sums it up perfectly) - "Not being aligned to my values." His statement may be interpreted in various ways, but none of them are good. At some point the church must say no and must stand up for Catholic sensibilities, which reflect a reverence for God, an even higher power than the president. A generation from now, this will all be embarrassingly obvious. Meanwhile men of affairs are playing at cleverness while the spirit of the anti-Christ prowls in the shadows. Debby and Grump have it right. - Other Joe Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:10:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13352 You go pray with the closet Communists, you come out looking like you gave a benediction ("blessing") to the closet Communists. - Sue Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:42:30 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13351 That scene of the anti-God gang having their voice vote overridden by the chair was more dramtic and telling than any movei director could have concoted. The True Nonbelievers had no real reason to feel betrayed. They had no illsuions about the Presdient being a Christian, having accepted that their fellow atheist and Great Leader's charade was but a necessary ruse to get the support of foolish believers. But the undemocratic naure of the proceedings should be telling to sall, esepcially to true Liberals and blievers in freedom, and democracy. How telling also that the Vice Presdient often calims that nhis boss ahs a backbone of steel. Who was the other chap that took the alias Man of Steel? - Thomas C. Coleman, Jr. Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:42:18 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13350 I'm glad that Cardinal Dolan did not go to a ballgame. And he certainly did not need to delouse. He was faithfully doing his job as a priest and pastor. His offering of prayer to Almighty God was not done for managing impressions among the delegates or instructing the Catholic electorate on how to vote. It was an honest and open prayer of thanksgiving and petition. I think the Cardinal understands that Internet columns and platform planks won't stop abortion. Changing hearts will, and that is utterly impossible without prayer. So Cardinal Dolan followed our good Lord's example. He met people where they were...amidst sin and corruption in their lives. And he prayed with them. I suggest that we join the Cardinal in prayer. - DS Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:02:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13349 Dear Prof. Arkes, "I adore Cardinal Dolan, in his conviction and warmth and that large nature. But I wish he had gone to a ball game that night." SO DO I. Although of late my "adoring" him is waning. The Cardinal confuses me- I personally find him more than affable; he is contagious! But in the last several months I find myself repeatedly questioning if his "joy of the Lord" is truly virtue to be emulated or just a charismatic personality trait. I had looked to him initially as a loving father figure, but have found him sending dysfunctional double messages by his speech and behavior. Our Church needs the voice of Clarity! Truth! Plain Speech! "Yes be Yes and No be No" and that is enough! I find this disconcerting and scary. I hear echoes of cries of the masses and right hands being raised in salute. I believe that guy was pretty awe-inspiring as well! (not that i am saying Dolan is demonic - my point being, i can be fooled by a leader's appeal and appearances.)Dear God! why is it so impossible to find a Man of God like St. John the Baptist? Could you imagine the great Saint being called to Herod's table to "give the blessing" and then just go your way? Or worse, INVITING Herod to dinner? It's not that complicated. Virtue is found in Simplicity. I don't get him. Now, I don't trust him. And that grieves me. - debby Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:16:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13348 To be critical of the Cardinal for a prayer in any venue is over the line ,besides did you here the content, THEY WERE ALL CATHOLIC VALUES.So i respectfully disagre....cut a very Holy man some slack! - Jack,CT Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:10:10 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13347 "Do not be yoked with unbelievers." Dolan would do well to delouse after hobnobbing with the dems. - Grump Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:07:38 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/god-among-the-delegates.html#comment-13345 "But I wish he had gone to a ball game that night." It was very important for Cdl Dolan to be at the DNC, for his appearance gave cover to "catholics", and others, to vote for Obama. In the March 26/April 2, 2012 Newsweek magazine (p. 34) it states that in 1984, "That is how Barack Obama,operating out of an office at the Holy Rosary Church on the South Side, began his career as a community organizer." This relationship between the Church and Obama and fellow thinkers has existed for decades. - Manfred Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:15:21 +0100