Comments for Ave Maria Born Again at http://www.thecatholicthing.org , comment 1 to 30 out of 20 comments http://www.thecatholicthing.org Thu, 23 May 2013 21:01:50 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14702 PLEASE NOTE: THE COMMENTS ARE CLOSED ON THIS COLUMN. - ADMINISTRATOR Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:13:30 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14692 @Boko Fittleworth: Trust the administrator. - Brad Miner Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:25:25 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14690 The person in the comments hiding behind the ridiculous moniker "Austin Ruse" has generated a lot of negative feedback. He's at minus three while some of us are up to plus five and one guy has a plus six! I bring this to the administer's attention and suggest that "Austin Ruse"'s comments be deleted and his IP address blocked. - Boko Fittleworth Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:54:06 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14688 Antonin Scalia? "elite legal mind?" I don't think so. - tom Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:24:54 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14685 In the midst of all this rancor, I would think if there is one thing we can all agree on, it would be about the absolute necessity of building a giant statue to the Blessed Mother. Those who love her the most build the largest statues to her, as is well-known. I never heard those darned, dirty revolutionary professors even once discuss building even a small grotto in her honor. If that's not a clear indication of how bad those people were, then I don't know what else would convince you. Even sadder -- I wonder what kind of statue could have been built with all the money the school spent on legal fees and monetary settlements with professors they fired? Probably something really nice. - odd but true Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:33:51 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14682 In a moment, Austin went down into the hole, never once considering how in the world he was to get out again. We can't go back to yesterday because the school was a different school then, I know it's hard to believe and impossible that the school is different, but try it! I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast! I was very glad that they were going to build a giant statue of the Blessed Mother instead of paving the dirt road, adding rain water drainage, and filing an area impact study, Having a 500 foot Madonna is so much better spent money. It is so muchier. yes, muchier! I'm glad that today it was a Blessed Mother. You can't take less, so take more! You see, everyone is mad here. Yes, you're mad Austin. Everyone who comes here is mad. You can take any road from here, Austin. Any road will get you somewhere if you walk long enough. - Alice Byrne Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:41:19 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14676 NOTE to readers: We are publishing Prof. Lee's link below, in spite of our stated policy against internet links, which you may read in the Rules for Commenting above. -Brad Miner Here's a link to my letter:http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2012/12/an-open-letter-to-austin-ruse-regarding-ave-maria-school-of-law.html - Kevin Lee Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:53 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14674 I too would like to visit the giant statue of Mary. Could you please tell me where I would need to go to see this? Since Tom Monaghan has built his town and university, I would imagine this statue, which was apparently central to his plan of a university, is very impressive indeed. Perhaps you could post a picture? Thanks. - Humble Genius Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:54:25 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14673 Thank you for this well-researched and timely article. I had forgotten about the giant Mary statue. - Boko Fittleworth Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:13:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14669 Professor Rick Garnett is a very serious person and he has used his own name, unlike most of the commenters here, so I want to respond to his comment. I have read, indeed anticipated with great interest, the post by Kevin Lee at Mirror of Justice. I was disappointed because is his letter does no such thing as "clarifying some points for (Catholic Thing) readers". He mostly talks about how I don't know what I am talking about, did not do sufficient research, did not talk to enough people etc etc etc. There really was nothing there. - Austin Ruse Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:54:33 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14666 "If I signed up to work for a business, which then decided it was in their best interests to move their office, I might be upset, but they are still "playing fair" so long as they fulfilled their contractual obligations." When you run a Catholic educational institution, the standard is not self interest but common good. - CK Mon, 03 Dec 2012 05:39:46 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14665 BTW. There are now a number of law schools that have solid Catholic faculty, doing important, orthodox work in the legal sphere. These include, among others, Villanova, Notre Dame, and St. Thomas MN. - CK Mon, 03 Dec 2012 05:38:23 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14664 Way to gloss over and ignore a number of material facts in this case. No mention of Safranek, Falvey, Lyons, or even Sonne. No mention of the major wrongful termination litigation which was settled to the favor of Safranek. No mention of the lives that were trashed by Monaghan. Meanwhile, good American faculty members, some of the FL move objectors who are still on faculty, are being trashed as Marxists by a board affiliated person (husband). Re-write the history all you want, but do it with caritas. Oh wait, that's impossible because to misrepresent the past lacks caritas. - CK Mon, 03 Dec 2012 05:35:51 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14661 I would urge readers of Mr. Ruse's piece to (a) pray that Ave Maria School of Law does indeed improve and (b) read also a post by Prof. Kevin Lee (a former AMSL Faculty member), "An Open Letter to Austin Ruse Regarding Ave Maria School of Law". It's at the Mirror of Justice Blog. Readers might also be interested in a statement, from September 2007, by a number of Catholic law professors about the situation at AMSL at that time, also at Mirror of Justice. - Rick Garnett Mon, 03 Dec 2012 04:11:21 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14652 Is this article an attempt at humor? I don't think it works well as such and even less so if meant to be on the merits for all the reasons commented already, but also because of such poor accuracy it isn't factually chronicled in the least. It's almost as if there was some other law school being discussed here. As others have said, there could have been no point to dredging up such a wound to people, and salting the dignity of all involved. What could the motivation of this article have been? It doesn't do anything well. - Daft Dodger Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:31:27 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14649 Every Catholic Law School should have a distinct Catholic Identity. (Catholic Canon 750) If every "Catholic" Law School was a Catholic Law School, then one could find a Catholic Law School in many locations. - N.D. Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:53:37 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14648 A professor who left Ave Maria Law has responded to this article, and anyone interested in reading it can go to Mirror of Justice blog to read it. Mr. Ruse should be ashamed of himself for this irresponsible article that is simply wrong on so many points that it would take longer to correct all of the mistakes than the article is worth. I do hope that the explanation for these many inaccuracies is simply ignorance. - Humble Genius Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:19:28 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14643 Thanks Mr. Ruse for telling me where to look, I would not have found those articles otherwise (I don't read Crisis). "I dont think I made any predictions at all. I wouldn't have becuase I was never more than extremely cautiously optimistic." Then I read it very differently then you wrote it. I saw it as a battle ready optimism (which was much more than I had at the time, it raised my spirits up). Still though I think it would be nice if you did a breakdown of what went wrong, but what you have written will suffice. I just hope this election was a stumble, and not what I fear it is, the beginning of the end. Then again, I'm given to despair, so perhaps I'm just sulking? - Aeneas Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:49:42 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14639 Dear Patrick, this is a lovely business model you speak of, but a university is not a "business" one owns. Who "owns" Yale University? Who "owns" Princeton? There is no such thing as an owner. All major decisions are voted on by the faculty. That is called "faculty governance" and the ABA requires that an accredited law school must comply with these rules. These rules are part of the school's contractual obligation. Otherwise, you lose your accreditation. There is indeed no point in dredging up this topic, but if you do comment, you should try to be informed. - Humble Genius Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:41:36 +0100 http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/ave-maria-born-again.html#comment-14638 As an outside observer, I agree it's a little impolitic to dredge up past disputes. Still, the author is right that the faculty and students are ultimately not in charge. If I signed up to work for a business, which then decided it was in their best interests to move their office, I might be upset, but they are still "playing fair" so long as they fulfilled their contractual obligations. And the students were all receiving a completely free education, weren't they? Not much to really complain about there either. It sounds like the trustees and administration maybe weren't as "nice" as they could have been, but it is ultimately their university. If you want a job or a free law degree you have to salute and say "yes, sir." If you don't, walk away. - Patrick Sat, 01 Dec 2012 11:40:38 +0100