• vishmehr24

    The economists, left-wing or right-wing, make the error of dismissing the “political nature of man” whereby mankind is organized in particular, self-ruling morally authoritative units we call nations or polities.

    Thus, they seek to reduce the state and the family to groups of individuals.

    Whereas, following the ancient writers, we must recognize the state, the family and the individual as three irreducible levels of human social organization.

  • givelifeachance2

    When word meanings change, Church teaching must adapt. The notion of “living wage” has changed since Rerum Novarum, necessarily since there is no longer the assumption of the single breadwinner within the family. With the two-worker couple double-dipping jobs, the employer cannot possibly calculate a “living wage”, and thus the economy is distorted.

  • ROB

    Immigrants came to America to escape, say what, the Guild System?

  • Stanley Anderson

    I certainly don’t know what “the solution” (or even “a solution”) is, in terms of a concrete set of actions at least, but one of the things I wonder greatly about (and I tremble to even mention it, as, on the face of it, it sounds so very elitist) is the assumption that “more education” and education “for all” is a vital portion of any solution. I of course don’t mean that children shouldn’t be educated, but that the type and degree of education is unbalanced. And primarily that talk of “education”, in terms of adult use, essentially means “college degree.”

    I am fascinated to hear of Anthony Esolen’s book and would like to read it. I don’t know if he addresses this sort of “necessity for higher education” that seems to be an obsession with do-gooders-for-the-economy, but since he is in that “education” business, I would like to hear his thoughts if it isn’t a subject addressed in the book. (And of course I would make clear that I think college education and degrees are good — I have one myself, but am just wary of the pervasive idea that “everyone” should get one)

  • Fulton J. Waterloo

    Idiotic. The motives for immigration often involved people who were being pushed out of a pre-industrial economy which had given them meaning: the Puritans, the German immigrants of the 1730’s and 40’s as just two examples. Also , the Walmart thesis is repeated: we will all get richer by paying lower prices, even if our wages fall even faster. Is Zmirak even a Catholic?

  • Alley Upta

    Christ pithily summed up the entire Catholic social teaching when he said: render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.

    Esolen’s confusion is to believe that he can render to God by rendering to Caesar; Zmirak’s, that he can render to Caesar by rendering to God.

    They both think that because man is made in God’s image, then mankind is; that because an individual man may act freely, then mankind may act freely. In fact mankind, either in the form of Church Militant or State, acts necessarily resultantly in history, that “assemblage of freedoms hardened in dialectical processes.” Only the individual man may act freely, and then only locally and reactively, to resist when what of God’s is being rendered to Caesar, and when what of Caesar’s is being rendered to God.

    • Tony

      I’m not sure what you are getting at, since I never write about “mankind” the abstraction. The book is my summary and interpretation of the social letters of Pope Leo XIII, and not just the one or two that everybody knows about; basically, all of them, written in Latin, French, and Italian. I was trying to return to the first principles that Pope Leo begs us to return to. He does not talk abstractedly about mankind; he does talk about independent and free associations of human beings, and in that sense he is close kin to Tocqueville. He says that man is a social being — he does not say that man is a statist being. I try very hard to maintain the distinction between society properly understood (a kind of extended friendship) and an aggregate, or a state. Pope Leo uses phrases all the time that are more than metaphoric: societas domestica, for example: the society of the home.

      I don’t render much of anything to Caesar. If you read the book, we can have a discussion about the Pope’s principles.

  • EWaughOk

    This debate has been going on for years, especially at the Acton Institute. Fr. Sirico, founder of the Acton Institute, wrote a book in 1992 titled “Catholicism’s Developing Social Teaching” which from the description in this post, would fall somewhere between Esolen and Zmirak. Cardinal Pell writes in the Preface of the book,

    “As Fr Sirico points out, in all of this Leo [XIII in the encyclical Rerum Novarum] was not offering specific public policy prescriptions but setting out ‘some guiding moral principles from which to develop a humane society.’ In particular, Leo [XIII] was concerned to provide a deeper concept of the common good than either socialism or capitalism was able to offer, one based on a sound anthropological understanding of the nature of man, the conditions of human flourishing, and the intersection of our eternal destiny with our daily lives.”

    It’s worth a read.